Worse JS policy in industry
 

Most of Emirates' foreign workforce originates from the world's largest kleptocracy, a society which is fundamentally and irretrievably corrupt at every level, from tea-stall owner to the highest court in the land. The reason your jumpseat pass is "fully ticketed" is because your management quite rightly assumes that if it was "captain's authority" to give out the jumpseat many of them would be selling that seat as a nice little earner.

The company will never, ever under any circumstances give the captain the chance to make money off the jumpseat. Ergo, you as the passenger will always pay for the privilege.

As a policy I don't call out a fellow colleague but your post above smacks as a facet of what's wrong with this pilot body. If a fellow captain arrives at my jumpseat needing a ride to work/home I welcome him reason be damned.

If you have issues take it up with the company don't screw a fellow airman whatever your personal feeling may be. I'm certain just his arriving at your doorstep means he's been through the wringer already.

Cat C is not always confirmed. It can be waitlisted which means there may not be a seat in the cabin. However, if it has been confirmed than that should be the end of the story and the jump seat should not come into it.

This is being over complicated here, as usual. If we show up with a firm ticket to get back to dubai and they say there is no room, but for a jumpseat, then halas, back to the hotel/home/whatever. If however, we are returning on a non firm ticket, I think that the js gives us an out, rather than a visit to the office

You are oversimplifying it Goaty. A confirmed CAT C is often used when the person needs to travel at that particular time (not later) for an important reason (not being late for the next duty, or desperately trying to leave this sh1t hole for some time away), and that's why we pay a premium for it. If the company decides to play tricks for financial gain (at our expense) then that is the problem.

And to correct your statement, if we show up with a confirmed ticket and they say there is no room, then that gives us an out rather than a visit to the office. If we are returning on a non firm ticket, then clear your personal schedule for tea and biscuits with someone you don't want to see.

The race to really find the bottom...the real bottom seems to continue....

A couple of things here Jayto, 2 days out you can see the loads, which is why I'm guessing you've booked a cat C "firm" ticket. 2 days out as well you can check in online and will be able to get a boarding pass printed before any "upgrades" occur. Personally I've done it on oversold flights ex DXB and outstations and have never had an issue.
You are correct however that this IS a possibility and given the bunch of spivs and chancers that we work for it does require clarification.
I have been intially bumped with a Cat C "firm" but that was before I was advised to check in online early if the loads looked tight or oversold, moreover I explained to the station staff my situation (In a first world country) of the situation, spoke to the FDM and hey presto a seat was found in J for me.
I personally welcome the JS policy, I wont rely on it, I will however attempt to avail the use of it should I need too, IMHO its a work in progress that requires us as the end user to make our experiences and expectations known.

To shine some light on the subject from outside of EK. If I am booked with a "confirmed" staff/ID travel (same thing?) then the operator is responsible for hotel accommodation should the plane be fully booked. The jump seat is a way out offered by many captains and regarded as something positive as it's in my interest to get on the flight. If you don't want to ride there, take the hotel.

The clue Jack old chap is the CONFIRMED seat... FFS are you all so effing spineless????

Jack Meeoff- I haven't said anything. Yet.

halas

What am I missing here?

If you're on a Confirmed CAT C ticket why/how would you end up being offloaded or having to use the jump seat?

Surely you'll only end up needing the jump seat if you're on a Cat A and the aircraft is full?

Spike

My understanding as well, and as stated previously you can check-in online 2 days before and get a boarding pass, before any of the "upgrades" take place.
To be honest this appears to be a of concern to those who would book at Cat C last minute to improve their chances if the flight looks tight. Far better in my view if its last minute and loads are tight to get a Cat A, then hope the jump-seat is open. Always have a plan B as well.
Yes we need clarification, yes there will be ASMs that will attempt to take the p1ss, but thats where being a bit clever and knowing how to work the rules in your favour is important.

Eh, selling buddy passes/ companion status has been/ is common in Western airlines as well.

Qantas has a policy if you can't get a seat, you can ask for the JS, but you won't be refunded the cost of a Y class ticket. So EK aren't the only ones 'selling' jumpseats.

Fuel-Off :ok:

That is absolute rubbish - completely inaccurate.

I think several non-U.S. carriers will let you ride on the jumpseat if the plane is full but you have to buy a ticket. Years ago I rode jumpseat on a LH A320 intra-Europe. The plane was full so I was glad to get on but I had to buy some discounted ticket.

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Originally Posted by Freehills (Post 10205378)

Eh, selling buddy passes/ companion status has been/ is common in Western airlines as well.

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As with any good deal from the airlines, some colleagues will abuse it and mess it up for everyone. :ugh:

There have been scams with the jumpseat with American carriers where the company issues a positive space ticket on another carrier for deadhead on duty and a pilot gets a free jumpseat instead. They then try to refund the ticket to themselves or rebook it for personal use. Then, when they get caught, the union spends thousands of dollars on lawyers to keep the perp from getting fired.

Most U.S. airlines now have reciprocal jumpseat agreements and some folks will commute for years on other carriers to get to their domicile for work. I've had war bride colleagues that commuted from Asia and the UK to pick up their trips.

On U.S. carriers I'm not aware of any charge for the jumpseat, however, internationally you sometimes run into departure taxes that must be paid in local currency at a counter on the other side of security a long way from the gate.