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fliion 21st Jul 2018 16:27

Worse JS policy in industry
 
Period.

Confirmed ticket according to out-station staff (wtf? Really) . eh if I have a confirmed ticket I’m covered.

Only one seat given when two/three available.

Fully charged.

Included in the pay review letter (mind you so was the meal allowance - can’t make it up)

once again - they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.





Dropp the Pilot 21st Jul 2018 17:46

Most of Emirates' foreign workforce originates from the world's largest kleptocracy, a society which is fundamentally and irretrievably corrupt at every level, from tea-stall owner to the highest court in the land. The reason your jumpseat pass is "fully ticketed" is because your management quite rightly assumes that if it was "captain's authority" to give out the jumpseat many of them would be selling that seat as a nice little earner.

The company will never, ever under any circumstances give the captain the chance to make money off the jumpseat. Ergo, you as the passenger will always pay for the privilege.

JAYTO 22nd Jul 2018 01:16

This needs to be clarified and clarified quickly.

If you have a confirmed ticket then you should have a confirmed seat.
My fear is that they are going to sell you a confirmed seat. They will then sell that seat to someone else and tell you that there are no more seats available. Only option now is jump seat. You will be paying confirmed seat price to ride in jump seat.

If thats the case then I as the Captain will not be accepting any jump seat passengers. I will not go along with this shite to help the company screw us more.

Sorry in advance to JS riders.

J.

The Turtle 22nd Jul 2018 01:29

As a policy I don't call out a fellow colleague but your post above smacks as a facet of what's wrong with this pilot body. If a fellow captain arrives at my jumpseat needing a ride to work/home I welcome him reason be damned.

If you have issues take it up with the company don't screw a fellow airman whatever your personal feeling may be. I'm certain just his arriving at your doorstep means he's been through the wringer already.

JAYTO 22nd Jul 2018 01:49

Fair call. Noted.

If we all go along with this then that’s what we will get. Maybe even worse. Every time something is accepted it gives them the opportunity to try something else.
Where would you suggest we make a stand then ?

P.S. let me clarify one thing. I have no problems with people holding a CAT A ticket asking for the jump seat. But people on a CAT C. That’s a confirmed ticket. You have a confirmed seat in the cabin. Why would you need the jump seat. That’s BS.
If we start to accept this then there will be no going back. You will be paying confirmed ticket prices to sit in the jump seat while they sell your confirmed seat to someone else.

J


BigGeordie 22nd Jul 2018 06:49

Cat C is not always confirmed. It can be waitlisted which means there may not be a seat in the cabin. However, if it has been confirmed than that should be the end of the story and the jump seat should not come into it.

BANANASBANANAS 22nd Jul 2018 06:51

JAYTO does raise a perfectly fair observation in my opinion. If the company regards this new policy as merely delivering another fare paying seat in the flight deck, they will try to take full financial advantage of the situation and it has to be stopped before it starts.

seven3seven 22nd Jul 2018 07:42

I agree. It appears they are just trying to sell an extra confirmed ticket without providing a seat.

So what happens if the cabin is full and you have a confirmed J or F seat that you are entitled to for your dead head travel?

Curry Goat 22nd Jul 2018 08:05

This is being over complicated here, as usual. If we show up with a firm ticket to get back to dubai and they say there is no room, but for a jumpseat, then halas, back to the hotel/home/whatever. If however, we are returning on a non firm ticket, I think that the js gives us an out, rather than a visit to the office

NowThatsFunny 22nd Jul 2018 10:14


Originally Posted by Curry Goat (Post 10202919)
This is being over complicated here, as usual. If we show up with a firm ticket to get back to dubai and they say there is no room, but for a jumpseat, then halas, back to the hotel/home/whatever. If however, we are returning on a non firm ticket, I think that the js gives us an out, rather than a visit to the office

You are oversimplifying it Goaty. A confirmed CAT C is often used when the person needs to travel at that particular time (not later) for an important reason (not being late for the next duty, or desperately trying to leave this sh1t hole for some time away), and that's why we pay a premium for it. If the company decides to play tricks for financial gain (at our expense) then that is the problem.

And to correct your statement, if we show up with a confirmed ticket and they say there is no room, then that gives us an out rather than a visit to the office. If we are returning on a non firm ticket, then clear your personal schedule for tea and biscuits with someone you don't want to see.

Callone 22nd Jul 2018 10:33

Cat C tickets can be issued on waiting list if no seats are available.
I would imagine this is the logic: no seats available buy a cat C waitlisted and if you don’t get the seat at least you can try for the jump seat.

JAYTO 22nd Jul 2018 10:37

Here is a scenario.

You are at the gate with your Cat C firm business ticket in your hand. Waiting fo board. Unknown to you, economy is way over booked. So after the ground staff up grade as many business class into first. (Not you. Your ticket is business class). They then upgrade as many economy into business. Now all 3 classes are full.
You hear a PA. “Would Captain Jayto please come and see the gate staff”. You go and find out what’s going on. You are told “ sorry Captain. Aircraft is full. But don’t worry we have spoken to the operating Captain and he is happy to accept you in the JS”

You don’t think that will happen?

totally unacceptable.

SOPS 22nd Jul 2018 12:35

The race to really find the bottom...the real bottom seems to continue....

Monarch Man 22nd Jul 2018 12:56


Originally Posted by JAYTO (Post 10203019)
Here is a scenario.

You are at the gate with your Cat C firm business ticket in your hand. Waiting fo board. Unknown to you, economy is way over booked. So after the ground staff up grade as many business class into first. (Not you. Your ticket is business class). They then upgrade as many economy into business. Now all 3 classes are full.
You hear a PA. “Would Captain Jayto please come and see the gate staff”. You go and find out what’s going on. You are told “ sorry Captain. Aircraft is full. But don’t worry we have spoken to the operating Captain and he is happy to accept you in the JS”

You don’t think that will happen?

totally unacceptable.

A couple of things here Jayto, 2 days out you can see the loads, which is why I'm guessing you've booked a cat C "firm" ticket. 2 days out as well you can check in online and will be able to get a boarding pass printed before any "upgrades" occur. Personally I've done it on oversold flights ex DXB and outstations and have never had an issue.
You are correct however that this IS a possibility and given the bunch of spivs and chancers that we work for it does require clarification.
I have been intially bumped with a Cat C "firm" but that was before I was advised to check in online early if the loads looked tight or oversold, moreover I explained to the station staff my situation (In a first world country) of the situation, spoke to the FDM and hey presto a seat was found in J for me.
I personally welcome the JS policy, I wont rely on it, I will however attempt to avail the use of it should I need too, IMHO its a work in progress that requires us as the end user to make our experiences and expectations known.

172_driver 22nd Jul 2018 15:23

To shine some light on the subject from outside of EK. If I am booked with a "confirmed" staff/ID travel (same thing?) then the operator is responsible for hotel accommodation should the plane be fully booked. The jump seat is a way out offered by many captains and regarded as something positive as it's in my interest to get on the flight. If you don't want to ride there, take the hotel.

Jack Meeoff 22nd Jul 2018 15:28

The only one here who seems to have a grasp on what is going on is JAYTO. The rest of you to varying degrees are a managements wet dream.

Here is how this is going to play out.

Forget about outbound flights from Dubai. The company couldn't give a toss about your leave or days off.

Inbound, on a confirmed ticket, to start a duty on return, is what this is all about. As JAYTO said, the jumpseat is now a commercial ticket. Expect in the near future a clarification in one of those 'Today Brian talks about...' pieces of drivel. It will be made quite clear that should you be returning to Dubai on a confirmed seat, and turn down the jumpseat if offered because the cabin is now full, you will be marked absent if you miss your duty, with further disciplinary action. So, sorry HALAS, you won't be able to just go back to the hotel with no repercussions.

Our staff travel is now to be used as commercial tickets. End of.



my salami 22nd Jul 2018 16:44


Originally Posted by fliion (Post 10202475)
Period.

Confirmed ticket according to out-station staff (wtf? Really) . eh if I have a confirmed ticket I’m covered.

Only one seat given when two/three available.

Fully charged.

Included in the pay review letter (mind you so was the meal allowance - can’t make it up)

once again - they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.






The FCI clearly states you shall have a “VALID” ticket to avail the facility.
Nowhere says it has to be a Cat C.
I’m afraid the ASM still needs to be “educated” on this.
But I agree, we need an official clarification.

MS

White Knight 22nd Jul 2018 19:55


Originally Posted by Jack Meoff
It will be made quite clear that should you be returning to Dubai on a confirmed seat, and turn down the jumpseat if offered because the cabin is now full

The clue Jack old chap is the CONFIRMED seat... FFS are you all so effing spineless????

Jack Meeoff 23rd Jul 2018 01:29


Originally Posted by White Knight (Post 10203435)
The clue Jack old chap is the CONFIRMED seat... FFS are you all so effing spineless????

The clue White Knight old chap is to RTFQ.

It was never said not to decline the jumpseat. Merely that there will be repercussions. The jumpseat will be considered a confirmed seat.

In answer to your specific question, unfortunately, yes, most of you are.

halas 23rd Jul 2018 02:41

Jack Meeoff- I haven't said anything. Yet.

halas


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