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bogey 3rd Jun 2018 13:44

Hey Fuzuma,
Tks for that, option 1 and 2 are 100% correct!
Be careful with option 3, ie. financial emigration. If this option is chosen, then it needs to be backed up/followed through with "proper" emigration, ie. eventually emigrating to another country entirely. Financial emigration cannot be a stop-gap, as when an individual who has financially emigrated does return to our beautiful country (SA) and pops up on the SARS radar it'll be;. "Hey Kobus, welcome back, you now owe us back taxes since you financially emigrated 5 years ago, but here you are back again! We know that you financially emigrated to avoid paying tax after implementation of the new tax legislation for non-resident South Africans in March 2020."
I've been to see a top tax attorney in SA (cost me R8000, for a 45 minute consultation)
Also; be very wary of any financial entities, especially offshore ones that offer "financial emigration" services. They stand to make a mint out of the uninformed. I've done my homework and plan to leave soon after March 2020 as I also cannot part with 45% of my incredibly hard-earned cash. Basically blood money that we earn here!
As they say, "only 2 things in life are certain; death and taxes"!

BANANASBANANAS 3rd Jun 2018 15:12

Does this mean we can expect all our SA colleagues to return to SA by 2020 or is there another option available that doesn't involve a passport change?

Does this situation impact the potential deal with current SAA crews joining EK on a fixed term contract?

SOPS 3rd Jun 2018 16:04

Am I getting this correct? You give up your Passport to " buy}" another one? F**K me gently, it must me hot in Dubai this year. I can not believe someone or some company is actually suggesting that someeone buys another passport. Would you suggest they buy another pilot licence? Get a grip....

LHR Rain 3rd Jun 2018 16:13


Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS (Post 10163983)
Does this mean we can expect all our SA colleagues to return to SA by 2020 or is there another option available that doesn't involve a passport change?

Does this situation impact the potential deal with current SAA crews joining EK on a fixed term contract?

The Springboks will never leave Dubai. They love it here. After all how many have left EK?

BANANASBANANAS 3rd Jun 2018 16:25


Originally Posted by LHR Rain (Post 10164014)


The Springboks will never leave Dubai. They love it here. After all how many have left EK?

True, but if it is really the case that a 45% pay cut awaits them if they stay, and they also have to tolerate high inflation in DXB then that may open the floodgates.

beechbum 3rd Jun 2018 18:22

I think everyone is getting a little heated over something that hasn’t happened. Yet! This lot can’t even get their ducks in a row at the moment. Do you honestly think they are going to have them lined up by 2020? Me thinks not.

Jack D 3rd Jun 2018 19:47


Originally Posted by LHR Rain (Post 10164014)


The Springboks will never leave Dubai. They love it here. After all how many have left EK?

Not sure if they love it ! if you have limited choices of
where you can actually work and given the economic
and political situation in SA staying is probably one of the few options available .

LHR Rain 4th Jun 2018 02:19


Originally Posted by Jack D (Post 10164106)


Not sure if they love it ! if you have limited choices of
where you can actually work and given the economic
and political situation in SA staying is probably one of the few options available .


There are plenty of options available to everyone including the Springboks. They choose to stay because they like everything here. After all you never hear them complain and they never leave. For all the backroom chippy comments we hear about Americans at least they don’t put up with this crap, they leave to the US primarily and Asia secondary. One even went to HAAB. Even Harry will probably leave soon.
Also can we get over the mindset of more pilots coming will reduce our workload. The company will only allow so many pilots to join our depleted ranks as to make sure we fly 95+ hours every month. This high workload has been going on for nearly 10 yrs, just as the company plans it and likes it.

Fuzuma 4th Jun 2018 05:54


Originally Posted by SOPS
Am I getting this correct? You give up your Passport to " buy}" another one? F**K me gently, it must me hot in Dubai this year. I can not believe someone or some company is actually suggesting that someeone buys another passport. Would you suggest they buy another pilot licence? Get a grip....

What would you suggest then as an alternative.....it’s easy to sit back in your chair and throw ignorant comments when you have a passport that is worth something and affords you a potentially decent quality of life.....for those of us whose forefathers chose Africa for whatever reason, they’ve unintentionally left us in a position where there are few options to get out of the situation.....fortunately one of them is to buy a passport to get rid of that useless money draining South African one.

In my opinion some guys will go back to SA, along the lines of what Bogey has planned.....my gut feeling is that the majority will stay as they have no intention of ever going back to SA.........

Antman 4th Jun 2018 08:35

SOPS believe it or not you’re even able to “buy” an Aussie passport if you have enough loot!
https://www.sydney-migration.com.au/...-services.html

and others

https://www.citizenship-international.com/

SOPS 4th Jun 2018 09:08

Ok fair point. I read “ buy” a bit differently.

krismiler 4th Jun 2018 10:32

White farmers are being murdered at the rate of one a week so far this year, Cape Town residents are limited to 50L of water per person per day. The government are openly racist against Europeans. There is a very strong push factor at work here with people thinking it would be better to watch the anarchy on TV rather than outside in the street.

Dubai may not be paradise but it beats being worried sick about your family’s safety. Once a foot hold has been established outside and money starts to accumulate, other options can be explored such as getting children into universities abroad with an eye towards future employment and residence. Countries such as Thailand and Malaysia offer offer retirement visas subject to financial status.

Even if they do have to return, being cashed up in hard currency makes life a lot easier.

Emma Royds 4th Jun 2018 12:07

Call me a cynic but perhaps there is an ulterior motive from organisations that are promoting citizenship by investment programs. You never seem to initially deal directly with the government with such schemes and there are a plethora of middle men in this business, who I suspect are all keen to 'earn' their commission.

If you are going to part with a few hundred thousand dollars for a new passport then why not channel that money into actually buying a property in somewhere that could provide you with an asset, which could also be a potential home after EK and during this whole process, you could end up with a desirable (eg EU) citizenship thrown in as well?

Hosebike 4th Jun 2018 13:53

Ummm, Emma. That is how we buy passports, with property

Emma Royds 4th Jun 2018 21:48

I was making a comparison between the ‘fast track’ route where one makes a ‘donation’ to a national project or development fund and gets citizenship in return in just a few months, to buying property and going through that alternative process instead.

At least you get a tangible asset with the latter option.

Fuzuma 5th Jun 2018 06:52

Emma, you’re now assuming that the saffas have a few euros lying around to buy a property.

The exorbitant cost of living in SA, leaves very few people with any money to save.....those who have been fortunate to save some money, struggle to get that money out of SA, the high taxation rate to “cash out” of SA, along with the poor currency (around R15 to €1 last time I checked) translates into very few people having the option to buy property in order to gain another passport. To use a bad example, in order to buy a Cypriot passport, you need €2 million, any South African passport holder with that type of money certainly won’t be involved in aviation nor would be needing to go through this route, and would have the greedy corrupt tax man asking a ton of questions as to how you have acquired R29.5 million?

So yes purchasing property would definitely be the wiser option, but for most it is not necessarily affordable, whereas “investing” a few $100k in a government for a passport, and then getting that “investment” back in a few years, is affordable and the only option when the clock is ticking before the tax law kicks in come 2020......

Joker11 6th Jun 2018 00:39


Originally Posted by Fuzuma (Post 10165205)
Emma, you’re now assuming that the saffas have a few euros lying around to buy a property.

The exorbitant cost of living in SA, leaves very few people with any money to save.....those who have been fortunate to save some money, struggle to get that money out of SA, the high taxation rate to “cash out” of SA, along with the poor currency (around R15 to €1 last time I checked) translates into very few people having the option to buy property in order to gain another passport. To use a bad example, in order to buy a Cypriot passport, you need €2 million, any South African passport holder with that type of money certainly won’t be involved in aviation nor would be needing to go through this route, and would have the greedy corrupt tax man asking a ton of questions as to how you have acquired R29.5 million?

So yes purchasing property would definitely be the wiser option, but for most it is not necessarily affordable, whereas “investing” a few $100k in a government for a passport, and then getting that “investment” back in a few years, is affordable and the only option when the clock is ticking before the tax law kicks in come 2020......

Couldn't of said it better. ZA is in a real mess right now. Amd things don't look like they becoming better.

Joker11 6th Jun 2018 00:40


Originally Posted by Fuzuma (Post 10165205)
Emma, you’re now assuming that the saffas have a few euros lying around to buy a property.

The exorbitant cost of living in SA, leaves very few people with any money to save.....those who have been fortunate to save some money, struggle to get that money out of SA, the high taxation rate to “cash out” of SA, along with the poor currency (around R15 to €1 last time I checked) translates into very few people having the option to buy property in order to gain another passport. To use a bad example, in order to buy a Cypriot passport, you need €2 million, any South African passport holder with that type of money certainly won’t be involved in aviation nor would be needing to go through this route, and would have the greedy corrupt tax man asking a ton of questions as to how you have acquired R29.5 million?

So yes purchasing property would definitely be the wiser option, but for most it is not necessarily affordable, whereas “investing” a few $100k in a government for a passport, and then getting that “investment” back in a few years, is affordable and the only option when the clock is ticking before the tax law kicks in come 2020......

Couldn't of said it better. ZA is in a real mess right now. Amd things don't look like they becoming better.

TwinJock 15th Jun 2018 09:12

After receiving my roster for July I feel the urge to add 2 cents worth. If any SAA driver is interested in joining the shining golden letter company, feel free to contact me. I will show you the vindictiveness of the rostering department which is relatively common place at EK.

And please, DO NOT believe EK management BS about rosters and lifestyle etc - speak to guys that are here and make up your own mind before you take the leap.

Any SAFFER that is hoping that they are not going to be taxed by the South African government after 2020, are living in a pipe dream - those that reckon that the DTA will protect them - dream on mates.

Make an informed decision, speak to your ex-colleagues, and not just one. Get as much info as you can before you commit to the sandpit.

Kennytheking 15th Jun 2018 11:58

Sorry TwinJock, say what you like about your roster. They are brutal - no question, however, in terms of SA taxation, I suggest you get some professional advice because you appear to be taking your information off pprune or other forms of social media.


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