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gardenshed 10th May 2018 21:43

Jet2 back in town.
 
While you ponder on all the goodies the latest EK pay review will allow you to purchase.
www.jet2careers.com/pilots


pilotguy1222 10th May 2018 22:59

Just incase anyone actually is interested.

Jet2 Pilot Careers

Ngenfire 11th May 2018 06:08

I made the Move from EK to Jet2 eight months ago and I’m very happy I did. I enjoyed my seven years in Dubai but didn’t realise how fatigued I was. My sleep patterns took several months to recover. I’m now flying out of a base 30 minutes from home and spend much more quality time with the family. The recent 3% and £3000 rise on the basic helps but the tax man takes a fair slice! All in all the lifestyle is so much better and sustainable in the long term. The salary is comfortable. I have my life back and the wife and kids are very happy.

Stjuk 11th May 2018 06:57

Good to hear Ngenfire, sounds like you made the right move for you and your family.

Could you shed some more light at things like salary, pension and rosters in Jet2. I’m sure it’s seasonal and base dependent, but from your own point of view.

Also, I’m assuming you joined as a DEC - did they bond you for the typerating?

Thanks

Newcomer2 11th May 2018 08:08

Any idea of the take home pay in euros (left seat) if based in Spain?
Also, is it easy to get a Spanish base?

Util BUS 11th May 2018 12:08

Spanish Base
 
You are better off joining at a UK base as all pilots based in Spain are on Zenon contracts. This means no pension, no LOL cover, no healthcare, no profit share, and lots of airport standbys.

Caveat emptor.

Newcomer2 11th May 2018 12:37

Ouch! I didn't know that, thanks for the info!

BigGeordie 11th May 2018 14:45

Yorkshire Pudding, I'm no defender of EK and your maths is about right (the gap is closing so fast it will be the other way in a few years) but, just for a bit of balance, what was the profit share at Jet2 this year?

Craggenmore 11th May 2018 16:13


Originally Posted by BigGeordie (Post 10144156)
Yorkshire Pudding, I'm no defender of EK and your maths is about right (the gap is closing so fast it will be the other way in a few years) but, just for a bit of balance, what was the profit share at Jet2 this year?

By some twist of fate I will receive my salary, 5 week profit share and 6 month housing allowance in May’s pay check and I won’t be alone.

Its basically the same amount that a Jet 2 FO will receive in a whole financial year.

£4,500 a month as FO in the UK with anybody can’t be true unless you’re a lifer RHS at BA with at least 5-7 years behind you.

NukeHunt 11th May 2018 23:59

Also don't forget at Jet2, you only fly around 700 hrs a year, and that's in a busy base. By the nature of the operation, Summers are busy, but Winters are very quiet, on average 1 flight/week. Money can't buy back time spent in hotels down route alone, rather than being home every night with the family, watching the kids grow up.

felixthecat 12th May 2018 06:14


Originally Posted by Craggenmore (Post 10144215)


5 week profit share and 6 month housing allowance in May’s pay check and I won’t be alone.



These are exceptional items. The profit share is the first in 2 years and as you say the housing allowance is for 6 months..... comparing apples and bananas ;)

fliion 12th May 2018 08:26


Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding (Post 10144263)
Are you not a Captain at EK with 10-15 years in the company? Not really a fair comparison. You also missed the word advance of the housing allowance. If you left the next day you have to pay it all back. Nonetheless, a good whattsapp picture to send to your mates back in the UK twice a year to remind them how lucky we are to be in Dubai earning all these obscene amounts of cash!





I didn't specify Jet2, I said any half decent jet operator in the UK :) And I didn't specify year 1. Anybody coming to EK will have at least a few years experience behind them. A mate at EZY starting his second year as FO clears 4K. Someone in TUI UK with reasonable seniority clears 4.5 - 5k on average, without working any days off.

So my point remains valid. The only difference between a UK Jet FO salary with a half decent operator, and some reasonable seniority, and an EK FO is the accommodation allowance (and hopefully some profit share).


No dog in this fight but since profit share was discussed - from May ‘08 to May ‘18 EK pilots have EARNED 51 weeks of profit share.

I don’t expect much over target next year 4.5bn - if at all.

sluggums 12th May 2018 10:39

I’ve got a huge Banana this month...:}

Callsign Kilo 12th May 2018 19:14

Sounds simple to me. If you want cash, a reasonable profit share (when it happens) then stay in the left seat at EK. Trade this for everything negative that goes with it - this is what I'm being fed from guys who have left EK. Others may have a different opinion.

Jet2 offers a manageable work life balance with a lot of time spent at home in the winter. Rosters aren't fixed pattern but much more family friendly. The flying is generally all 2 sector days with a return to home base. There has been developments with T&Cs, pension contributions, LOL, medical cover etc. Above all a happy ship with the company making and sustaining healthy profit margins year on year.

BTW, a SFO won't see take home pay hitting £4500 pcm unless he/she has several additional roles - ATI, TRI, CRMI etc. All of which are possible to achieve here, at the present moment in time.

All the best, CK

springbok449 12th May 2018 19:50

If like Craggenmore and BigGeordie all you're interested in is the money side of things and you don't care about how hard you work to earn it and with no set of defined rules and you don't mind living in DXB then EK is the job for you...
But this doesn't suit all of us and in that case there are jobs out there and enough of them that you can choose which one suits you best...

Craggenmore, as a year 2 F/O I now clear just under £4500/month after a 15% pension contribution from both myself and my employer, I get private medical care, LOL and other benefits and thats excluding the subsitence allowances which are far more realistic than the EK allowances. All that is for a contracted 750hrs/year (even though in the last 12 months I have flown less than 600).
Of course that is less than I was earning as an EK skipper especially if you wish to take the live out allowance and profit share into account.

As I said before it all depends on what you wish for, I am less fatigued, spend more quality time at home with my kids and the wife is happy (happy dragon, happy castle). My kids are a lot healthier and getting more streetwise too.

The only thing I miss is some of my mates.

FlightDetent 12th May 2018 22:41

springbok, just that I read you correctly: You went from a widebody LHS to a narrowbody jF/O, and now spend approx 1/2 of duty time compared to the previous gig and get to sleep always in the same timezone. Correct?

springbok449 13th May 2018 04:42

Flight, thats correct except that I don’t always get to sleep in the same time zone as am widbody F/O... ;-)

Craggenmore 13th May 2018 05:36

Springbok449.

Your asinine comment about me being here for the money is wide of the mark. I’m here for my hobby. The weather allows me to do it 24/7/365. So when £40k appears in one months pay check I’m OK with that, especially as it doesn’t always happen.

I might be wrong here, but if you’re a two year widebody FO, you probably joined BA when they came here, cap in hand 3 years ago, looking for 380 2 stripers, and that would make the £4500 Gross, not Net (and a long haul command non-existent!)

Or or did you join Jade Cargo, China?

You also got me musing so I divided my EK hours as FO and Captain versus months spent in the seat and The averages come to 58 and 76 per month.

So far so good.

Eau de Boeing 13th May 2018 06:34

Close but no cigar, Craggy.

He joined the airline named after what he would be if he if he relied on his personality, rather than being a pilot!

As David Frost once said, if you look closely the clues are there (750 hours a year).




Craggenmore 13th May 2018 06:44

Ah ha! Thanks EdB. Good clues too!!

At least I was correct about the pay being gross and the lack of long haul command (based on my friends there with 10+ years seniority)

Cloud Bunny 13th May 2018 07:24

With their recently raised pay scales etc, year 2 F/O would easily make £4.5k/month after tax and all other contributions. They are pretty much the best job in the UK by quite some distance - in my humble opinion at least.



Originally Posted by Craggenmore (Post 10145351)
Ah ha! Thanks EdB. Good clues too!!

At least I was correct about the pay being gross and the lack of long haul command (based on my friends there with 10+ years seniority)


lekkeroujan 13th May 2018 07:26


Or or did you join Jade Cargo, China?

Hahahahaha........where have you been the last 7 years!!

Thanks for the good laugh!

springbok449 13th May 2018 07:59

Craggenmore, sorry for insinuating that you were there for the money and I am happy that you can practice your hobby 24/7/365 but that would not be enough for me to justify my kids breathing the dust that is currently going through DXB.

You’re wrong when it comes to salary the £4500 quoted is net... lack of command? I have done it and yes it’s nice but it’s not everything in life.

As i said in my previous post, it suits some to be in the Middle East some it doesn’t, I enjoyed my time there but it was time to come home...

All the best.

dustyflightdeck 13th May 2018 08:21

Come on craggen.... like you I will also get my profit share and housing allowance in one hit. It doesn't make me sleep better at night because I am a realist. Where do you live, deira studio?
I fly to the yearly limits, that's a fact and everybody here does.

Won't get into the rest, you have been here long enough to know it any way. Maybe you are just the ideal EK pilot, built for this kind of life. If so, I am truly happy for you.

donpizmeov 13th May 2018 10:08

But only two years ago our mate sealear thought those 777s were so big and shiny.

Craggenmore 13th May 2018 17:24

Lekke - I'm glad someone got it!

Cloud Bunny - Why that name? Anyhow, good to hear that VS is up and coming.

Dusty - The HA is paying off a mortgage that will trounce the Provident Fund when I leave. I wasn't looking for it but was offered it (and after it was withdrawn!) so I took it and fingers crossed, the plan will come to fruition. It's odd that long termers don't take it. I hear the term 'quick exit', but there is no quick exit here. Max limits? Averaging 78 a month, LHS 380. What's your monthly average? Which fleet?

springbok449 - No issues and thanks for your grace. Glad things are going well back home and again thanks for the NET pay update. If what you say is true then my old Pals are fibbing to me, most probably in order to avoid getting a round in. There can be no other explanation..!! What fleet are you on? Shoot me a PM and if you cross paths with said gang you can have a good laugh at my expense. All the best to you :-)

Cloud Bunny 13th May 2018 17:47

Craggs - it was a name given to us (by “us” I mean Pilots) by my former boss, a quiet reserved gentleman by the name of Micheal O Leary.

BluSdUp 13th May 2018 19:59

Cloud Bunny
 
MOL called us that. Oh Dear , he has not seen my mirror at 04:16 local on day 5 early. !!
Not quite a feeling like a Bunny, more a dinosaur.

Regards
Cpt B
GTD RPG

recall_checked 14th May 2018 10:26


Originally Posted by Craggenmore (Post 10144215)
£4,500 a month as FO in the UK with anybody can’t be true unless you’re a lifer RHS at BA with at least 5-7 years behind you.





That's where you're mistaken. With 2 years RHS service at a UK charter company I clear 4.5k, more recently I've been netting 5k.

Stjuk 14th May 2018 14:50

Does anyone have Captains figures? Thanks

Sirijus 14th May 2018 15:06

Hello there,

I would greatly appreciate if somebody could share some jet2 FO schedules via PM.

Also, as an NTR FO applicant, do I need to pay for the TR or is it bonded, and how?

Thank you!

Mr Good Cat 17th May 2018 09:44


Originally Posted by Sirijus (Post 10146597)
Hello there,

I would greatly appreciate if somebody could share some jet2 FO schedules via PM.

Also, as an NTR FO applicant, do I need to pay for the TR or is it bonded, and how?

Thank you!

Expect 80-90 hours per month in peak periods (June-August) dropping to about 10 hours per month off-peak (Nov-Mar). Depending on base expect 500-700 hours per year on the 737. 200-300 hours per year on the 757 (only MAN and LBA bases).

FO's are a bit busier than line Captains. Type Rating is 3-year bond, not self-funded.

bringbackthe80s 17th May 2018 10:19


Originally Posted by Stjuk (Post 10146586)
Does anyone have Captains figures? Thanks

£5k net per month average (less in the winter, more in the summer)

Just a tiny paycut.

But in return you get repetitive destinations, an exotic base in the north of the uk, and the charming experience of the Alicante passengers in July.

(just kidding guys!)

excrab 18th May 2018 09:38

Something to remember here is that EK is not the only show in town, possibly when Jet2 and Ryanair come to Dubai they might just be hoping to target the 700 or so current and type rated pilots based on the other side of the runway.

As a pilot at that other airline, by the time I take into account the far higher cost of living in Dubai, I would probably not be much worse off working for Jet2 than I am here, and long term it would probably be a better environment for my kids to grow up in. And given the choice of LBA to ALC checking in at 1400 LT or DXB to HYD checking in at 2200LT I know which I would rather choose. Or even IBZ or PRG on a Friday night ��


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