And Dxb total loss and many others that we hide very well...
ek is the bottom of the barrel among the ME Companies lately.
Some new joiners are far better than many seasoned ek pilots imho.

I had to look that up.

empirical |əmˈpirik(ə)l|
adjective
based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic: they provided considerable empirical evidence to support their argument.

Jack, with all due respect, you might be right but read Bananas post # 35, I lean towards his theory - in that most of this mess is not down to individuals talent. It’s systemic.

Different holes in model for each incident. JFK - proceduralization ? Fatigue perhaps, noisy CRC as too cheap to invest in the best. Who knows.

DME? Too much for this mere mortal to analyze. Could it be rooted in culture of fear and lack of desire to hand fly and thus basic skills lost, spare capacity diminished?

EK 521 ? - well if you’ve ever had base training in a Boeing widebody as I have, then you will never forget the most important part of those three touch and goes - the throttles don’t move with the TOGA push.
The sim could replicate I suppose but we all know it’s different when it’s for real and there was never any botched landing training when I joined or upgraded. Why no base training here for new hires and then again on upgrade ? They are just too cheap on every level to do it any other way than the Walmart way.

For over ten years now no meaningful package improvements to attract and retain talent (actually a substantial decrease), CRCs in tractor tail, wafer thin in Bus, Shyte tablets, 3 hour sims, deteriorating hotac, primary residential compound lacking a pool, gym, grocery store - for over three years now, trainer pay & experience sub par..lots more. It’s a nickel and dime joint.

And for the good guys that stay - what incentive is there to climb the ascenine political mgt ladder that’s lacks any form of meaningful transparency.
None, so now you have a system that can’t write a basic FCI without changing it three days later due to ‘testing’ (quicker than the alcohol Customs reversal in fairness)
A fatigue mgt system that is a secret, a down route per diem allocation system that is a secret, Hotac committee criteria a secret, a seniority list that is a secret, a monthly Fleet Forum system secretly discarded.

The incompetence has become systemic.

Quite surprised that there has not been a complete clear out of upper Training & Fleet mgt starting with ATC.

They’ve taken the money - yet it’s all on their watch.

Real mensch would resign in shame...because this system is their baby.

During my ( thankfully) shortish tenure in the EK training department one of ( many) surprising / shocking things was the location of the pilot rest area on board. To have the resting captain at the @rse end of the aircraft is beyond bonkers for hopefully understandable reasons. In my two long haul airlines the flight crew rest was always just behind the flight deck.

I believe in EK they’re called Austranauts. Spot on!

I gotcha now

I agree with all of what you say filion, the only exception is re the base training. I think that is an industry wide standard now, not EK specific. I'm not sure that any major carrier operating widebodies does base training for real anymore; rather it is all done in the simulator. I think that has been the case for about a decade.

380 does Base training at DWC for low houred guys.

Boom! Well there you go. Thanks Don. :)

Also base training for cadets on the 777