Agreed. A lot has changed since 2009. Probably 95% of the pilots I fly with don't have any intention of leaving anytime soon. The morale here seems to be a lot better than the pilots at our neighbouring airlines when I speak to my friends at the other 2. Even with the improved package at EK, for the same amount of flying, what you get at the end of the month with all allowances included is slightly more. But..... no bonus :{

This might be both on and off topic at the same time. For the groundstaff I know it’s been a revolving door. Having read the reviews on the job websites, there wasn’t much positive feedback.

Guys - honestly - and having seen to much of aviation business around the globe.

Back in the days we went to the ME only for ONE reason, to make money(or, to see which of the famous 2 buckets becomes full earlier, mine was the one with the ***t). The ME for me personally was a very good "cure" - I started to realize HOW good we are threathed back in Europe by MOST airlines(by far not all BUT at least you have legal possibilities to fight out your case. That is NOT the case in any ME country. Point.). That's why I decided to come back.

IF you want to make money nowadays you go to China. It's as simple as that. Even on commuting you make more or equal money then on sitting full time in the boring sandpit. Honestly, as a happy family man, I would neither choose ME or China, BUT IF you would think about there is only China. I am deeply surprised that there are still so many dragged down into the sandpit(well, must be the NG^^, always know better), their time, imho, down there was over nearly 10 years ago.

I know, there are always people that claim that they are happy down there, at my time there we made jokes that propably QR tampered with their water supply and added something ;-)....

If you want money, go to China - especially if you are young . If you want a proper life, clean air, good threatment for your family, job security, social security, retirement - stay in Europe. Well, you go to the middle east nowadays to get what....???? Sand? Go to the Italy, they have sand as well! PLUS - much nicer beaches. And offer a much better life btw.....

There's a reason why the salary is high in China. And it is not because they like the pilots. You sign a contract and then after signing the negotiation starts. You will earn nowhere near the announced and promised figures. Enjoy the multi resistant infections unless in Shenzen or Shanghai!

In Europe the rosters are bad, no chance of flying long haul except for Norwegian, 15-20 years for upgrade on the majors, crappy salaries since you pay more than half of your salary in tax. If you live in Northern Europe you are taxed even more than that. How are you going to fight your cause if you are not even employed by the company?

Alot has happened in QR since 2009. At the moment I would personally not return to Europe considering the roster and salary.

Hmmm...I don't know about that one. My colleague needs a wheelbarrow to haul his money to the bank, that he makes with his operator based in the Capital. We have both worked together in Asia. It has been a very good experience. I retired quite enjoyably.

Well I have got many friends working in China for different airlines. None of them has got any infection, even some cities are quite nice to live in, close to nature and mountains without much pollution. If you say a country like China is everywhere the same you deny the size and the diversity in the country itself. And they did not have to negotiate anything. One of my friends of flight school is meanwhile more than millionaire. ;)

culture and beauty in UK??????

Type Rated captain B777 waiting for joining date
 

I don't doubt that tomuchwork had a shocking time in QR, but their opinion is now dated. Only the folks that are at the coal face can give you any constructive feedback. Although I left recently to return back to Blighty for the kids, I loved my time in Qatar, if you intend to come then do your research, if married, take your wife for a few days (preferably in Summer!)................remember I am not there any more so my opinion is nearly as worthless (I left this year)

There are plenty of things wrong with Qatar and QR, make sure you know what they are and whether you can put up with them. If you decide to have an adventure then make sure you intend to make the most of it. There are lots of things to do and places around the globe to visit, I also personally saved a lot of money there although I was seriously helped by the Brexit vote and consequential effect on the exchange rate.

just saying the fact you'reypung or old has no significance

Apparently DEC over for the time being, I guess world events have taken their toll. Going to be a bad year for aviation 2020.

With the new financial year due in April there could be some news. At the moment the ratio of DEC vs internal upgrade on Boeing is 50-50: none of them happening anyway.

The plan is to increase internal upgrades to a 60-40 ratio, but that of course may change due to "unforeseen circumstances". Many SFO frustrated by the current upgrade freezing.

Any sort of updates for those who've been in the pool either Airbus or Boeing FOs?

Whats the current work environment and happiness scale like at Qatar? Has scheduling and quality of life improved over the last 18 months?

No complaints from me. Very mature approach to rostering. You can bid for up to 6 days a month off, sometimes twice in a month. Days off can be added to leave too. The operation is run quite well and the aircraft are very well maintained. I get home to Europe every month, which is great as my family are still there. However, I do understand that different fleets have different satisfaction when it comes to rostering, with the 787 being pretty good and the 777 being worked quite harder.

Triple 7 Capt, no complaints either, rosters have been quite good recently.

However, given the current state of affairs, the industry may be facing a downturn going forward.

Time to batten down the hatches.

OW

Did some searching but didn't find a specific, recent answer: Under current circumstances, what's the status of expat pilots at Qatar ( I did find a reference to cabin crew but not specifically pilots) ? If they left the country during this mess, have they been allowed to return...and is there a job there for them if/when they do return ?