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I have been "on the line" now for over a year, and my per diem contributions have averaged +1000 usd (that's a mix of won and usd)
I easily save 4000 usd a year off the per deim (which in my accounting pays my loss of income policy) If you just eat at the hotels, as AVR said, maybe a few big nights in Korea, you will break even. Personal choices, I guess |
Not too surprisingly the allowances depend somewhat on what fleet you are on and roster but I about break even on the per diem. |
Break Even
Originally Posted by AtoZ
(Post 10402302)
Not too surprisingly the allowances depend somewhat on what fleet you are on and roster but I about break even on the per diem. In in order to be fit to fly, you have to eat. Simple. Perdiems weren’t designed as extra pay incentives. |
Morning,
Could someone please elaborate on the intricacies of "Getting Through the training" @ Korean as I'm looking at applying. Many Thanks BYO |
Lots of OIC! |
1. Check your ego at the door. If you behave like a skygod then you will have trouble.
2. The training is more emotionally fatiguing than than work or study. It's 4 months away from your family. It can get lonely 3. Don't ask too many questions. You've already demonstrated you're a captain. To ask questions suggest doubt. They don't like that. 4. Even after you're assigned a groundschool, even after you've passed your Airlaw, Molit skills test, ATP ride, you can still cock-up training and go home. Act like a cadet until you pass your final line check 5. Positive attitude is everything. It can overcome small errors here. 6. Don't lose your cool. Lots of minor inconveniences here.... To blow your top shows immaturity and lack of self-control. It is the polar opposite of the middle east. I'm sure others can elaborate but this is just my thoughts. Good luck |
Many Thanks,
I can cope with all of that no problem. Small beans eh. Appreciate your time. BYO |
4 months away during training
Originally Posted by The Turtle
(Post 10409168)
1. Check your ego at the door. If you behave like a skygod then you will have trouble.
2. The training is more emotionally fatiguing than than work or study. It's 4 months away from your family. It can get lonely 3. Don't ask too many questions. You've already demonstrated you're a captain. To ask questions suggest doubt. They don't like that. 4. Even after you're assigned a groundschool, even after you've passed your Airlaw, Molit skills test, ATP ride, you can still cock-up training and go home. Act like a cadet until you pass your final line check 5. Positive attitude is everything. It can overcome small errors here. 6. Don't lose your cool. Lots of minor inconveniences here.... To blow your top shows immaturity and lack of self-control. It is the polar opposite of the middle east. I'm sure others can elaborate but this is just my thoughts. Good luck And is the 4 months for non-typerated guys? Is it shorter if you are typerated already? |
Originally Posted by Vikingfly
(Post 10413167)
So during the 4 months, do you have any chance to see your family at all or are you just stuck in ICN the whole time?
And is the 4 months for non-typerated guys? Is it shorter if you are typerated already? |
Firstly I think everyone has to turn up at KAL type rated. Secondly the only difference is experience on type, the main difference is experienced on type joiners have four less sectors on OE/‘line training’ to complete. |
Originally Posted by TwinJock
(Post 10428252)
Type rated means absolutely nothing - B748 mate has been on course for 5 months and have not completed his Koreanization.....
Anyone have an idea of the 737 roster ? how many 4 sectors day per month ? Thank you ! |
Originally Posted by DALTA
(Post 10428362)
I am not sure to understand what you mean, do you mean that even guys already type rated on the aircraft they are supposed to fly, will also do training for 5 months ? What are they doing for all this time ? I probably missed something somewhere !
Anyone have an idea of the 737 roster ? how many 4 sectors day per month ? Thank you ! Word is that the requirement for a MOLIT examiner to be in the flight deck for line release check has been lifted and it is now being done in-house, it remains to be seen if that will be a good thing or not with many a candidate being passed by the examiner when the company LCP had wanted to fail them. KE have just hired some 200 candidates directly from the airforce alone with a bunch of etihad 330 guys on secondment which will certainly increase pressure on the training department so one would expect course time to remain high. |
I second what Dogs said....the time from arrival to line check completion is 4-5 months. It's a grind to be away for so long.
a few points to mention: I knew I was exhausted from the grind that was EK so I welcomed sleeping in the same time zone. After about 6 weeks I felt way better (the short term memory loss is permanent I'm afraid) many had their family visit them, that's a welcome option. You are assigned the same room during your entire time of ground training so they can easily stay when you're at class or days off lastly if possible don't do the course in the winter months. The days are sometimes long in class and with the significant loss of daylight hours in the winter it can add to the feeling of depression, at least for me the thought of starting out on the bus in the dark and finishing the day in the dark is something I'd avoid. |
Originally Posted by Dogsofwar
(Post 10428874)
What he means is you can expect to do a full course if you join KE. The regulator, MOLIT sets the requirements for expat courses and Korean air follow them to the letter, this means full ground course, crm, cbt, performance, dangerous goods, safety and security, fixed base and full motion sims blah blah blah and they will fill up the time, although at present course times on other fleets have been around the four month mark, you will not get home during that time but you can ask for an observation flight to you home city if it’s on there network and you may get lucky, that being said a recent 777 Capt did manage to get a home visit during training but I believe it was due to the fact that no checker was available for the release check for a period of time so permission was granted. Word is that the requirement for a MOLIT examiner to be in the flight deck for line release check has been lifted and it is now being done in-house, it remains to be seen if that will be a good thing or not with many a candidate being passed by the examiner when the company LCP had wanted to fail them. KE have just hired some 200 candidates directly from the airforce alone with a bunch of etihad 330 guys on secondment which will certainly increase pressure on the training department so one would expect course time to remain high. Thanks for your replies guys ! |
any thought on that ?
I love asia, i am single and no plan to get a wife nor kids. I have 2000 hrs on the 737NG and i am currently flying for Ryanair with 4 sectors days. I am not in a rush to get the upgrade and i can still move after few years in KAL. How is the atmosphere in the cockpit ? How is the interview process ? how many guys are successful ? I would like to get a neutral advice please :) Thanks a lot ! |
Anyone ? :ok:
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Originally Posted by DALTA
(Post 10434278)
Anyone ? :ok:
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With regard to the 9 or 11 days off per month, can you place these days anywhere in the month you like as a block, and therefore can you request them back to back, so over a two month period you could have a block of 18/22 days?
My second question to those that are there is, roughly how many days off per working block do you get? Many thanks, FBW |
You can place them where ever you wish. You must submit your request the month prior to your current schedule month....ie, March request submitted by end of Jan
blocks of days off must be approved by your manager and you need a good reason for it days off in icn depends on the fleet. Some fleets work a lot harder than others |
Well, it is Korea for gods sake. Of COURSE they are complicated, of course they do not like expats. But the expats actually safe their ass because they cant by themself as their culture does not allow them to be proper pilots. Korean in a nutshell.
Tried a very long time ago to join their outfit, thanks god they did not accept my application back in 2010. Had tons of hours on a A300-600 in command, their only reply was "he has no experience of any significance to our operation". Was upset a bit back then but I learned that it was most likely very good for me not being accepted. Very strange culture and airline. No wonder about their accident record. From current posts - they are still searching right now? My god. A country like south Korea is not able to fill the slots of it's own lousy airline with own people speaks a very clear language. This is ongoing now for at least 10 years. More and more glad to stick with my crappy european low cost operator before dealing with this mungos. Especially - what are they paying to a skipper this days in Korean? And this for 8 days off? |
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