STC No 787/350 order
 

So, is this classic market bargaining 101?

Negotiate a deal that's close, then walk away knowing a better offer will come your way?

halas

What do we need Light-Twins for .....

We still have more than 40 four-legged moneymakers to join!
Hallelujah.

Or get a call from down the rd - we have all the light twins you need

Well noticed fliion ;)

The 380 fleet is becoming a huge drag for EK, they should def find a way to ditch some 380s and get smaller 787-type of acs.

Now a Mexican stand-off as STC wants commitment from AB on the future of the 380 or there will be no commitment from EK.

halas

STC just wants airbus to cancel the production line. That way EK can save face and blame it on AB. And we don't get the 380's we don't need.

Air bus already said they ok with that . It's RR that holds all the cards!

...FB.... why does RR hold the cards?

Engine deal on the remaining 380s, Air bus can see the end of the 380 they don't Care about engines. RR was bailed out by STC. RR not going to agree to terminating their contract . I think it's about 150+ engines

The return of favour for the silly "Sir" proves to be quite costly.

But who cares, it's finally HH who will have to come up with the doe for still being tolerated at Ascot.

But i guess they will both eventually shove it down on the EK employees ......

How about EK get a penalty clause payout from AB .. not fulfilling the order for A380,s ( sigh of relief from Ek accountants ) then RR receive some or all of these funds as a penalty payment from EK for not taking delivery of engines , lost projected sales , development costs etc . Just haggling over the amount remains , advanced rug selling basically . Feasible or not ?

Fatbus, just curious but where did you get that Airbus is ready to shutdown the A380 line? Because everything I've been seeing is just the opposite - sort of "we just need to keep the line alive until the market recovers" sort of thing...

Keep in mind another thing, if Airbus shutters the A380 line, it'll be a several billion dollar hit to the European governments who provided 'launch aid' - and be a big re-enforcement to the USA/Boeing claim that launch aid is an unfair subsidy and distorts the marketplace.
(don't shoot the messenger here, just stating what I see from my knothole).

Not sure what you've been seeing .? Numerous articles from analysts indicate the definite slow down and possible closing of the line . The production is causing AB to haemmorahge cash , not sure what the US has to do with it ? Other than giving armies of litigators something to do .

What stops EK just swapping the agreement to RR engines on the 787 or 350?

Jack, yes the analysts are talking about closing the line, and no question the A380 has been a massive Airbus money pit. But nearly everything I've seen from Airbus is that the aircraft still has a future, and they were pushing the A380plus hard just a few months ago (not that it got much traction).
Oh, and don't sell the WTO short, ah, OK forget I mentioned that part :ugh:

Heard there might be an announcement at the air show?