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Matvey 12th Jun 2017 18:08


Originally Posted by Rule3 (Post 9800314)
5 Destinations in the UAE? Really.

Abu Dhabi, DWC, Dubai, Sharjah, Ras al-Khaimah. Now, you can question the wisdom of serving 5 airports within a 150 mile stretch, but there are indeed 5 destinations.

Obbie 12th Jun 2017 20:38


Originally Posted by UAL777 (Post 9800411)
From friends in QR, Qatar Airways flight going nearly empty to all destinations. Airport a ghost town. Costing a lot of money flying empty widebody aircraft worldwide.

Not necessarily accurate, my last two flights, LAX and FRA, both
over 90% full both ways.

mmorel 12th Jun 2017 20:59

most of the flight are 90% full and that's the reason we have not canceled any flight to US as supposed to the emirate.


Originally Posted by UAL777 (Post 9800411)
From friends in QR, Qatar Airways flight going nearly empty to all destinations. Airport a ghost town. Costing a lot of money flying empty widebody aircraft worldwide.


CCGE29 12th Jun 2017 23:00

UAL777 clearly has somthing against QR. Give it a rest please! We're all getting bored of your bull.

fliion 13th Jun 2017 06:39


Originally Posted by CCGE29 (Post 9800632)
UAL777 clearly has somthing against QR. Give it a rest please! We're all getting bored of your bull.


CCG & mmorel - don't worry about UAL77 - he's always been full of shyte.

Now to topic at hand - you both work there. Could you be forthright and tell how things are in the same way that EK pilots do

Sentiment - are families worried? In DXB I would say that whole event has made people uneasy and could even be the last spoon of chit in the bucket for a few, particularly for the wifeys & kids who's mother's in law call all in a worry about region.
Loads? EK's are poor to very poor despite what Echo- eejit says (apparently it's all the engineers fault!)
Recruitment- tough sell here...upgrade for newbies long way off unless we order a new mid- size in numbers
Comms from your mgt? Can't be worse than here - apparently we are not even getting told officially that we have no pay raise, edu allowance, or housing review (6 mos is up on live out, HR - update please)
Overall feeling in the city etc. here we had 'happiness day' - 'twas a wonderful day, real game changer!

If you don't answer- nuff said & understood

😉

UAL777 13th Jun 2017 06:56


Originally Posted by CCGE29 (Post 9800632)
UAL777 clearly has somthing against QR. Give it a rest please! We're all getting bored of your bull.

Who's we? You are clearly a management troll

UAL777 13th Jun 2017 06:58


Originally Posted by fliion (Post 9800806)
CCG & mmorel - don't worry about UAL77 - he's always been full of shyte.

Now to topic at hand - you both work there. Could you be forthright and tell how things are in the same way that EK pilots do

Sentiment - are families worried? In DXB I would say that whole event has made people uneasy and could even be the last spoon of chit in the bucket for a few, particularly for the wifeys & kids who's mother's in law call all in a worry about region.
Loads? EK's are poor to very poor despite what Echo- eejit says (apparently it's all the engineers fault!)
Recruitment- tough sell here...upgrade for newbies long way off unless we order a new mid- size in numbers
Comms from your mgt? Can't be worse than here - apparently we are not even getting told officially that we have no pay raise, edu allowance, or housing review (6 mos is up on live out, HR - update please)
Overall feeling in the city etc. here we had 'happiness day' - 'twas a wonderful day, real game changer!

If you don't answer- nuff said & understood

😉

You don't even know me pal. I'm just speculating on when you all will be sent home. I just hope it happens safely, that's all.

UAL777 13th Jun 2017 07:00

Also, I have inside info on QR and as far as I understand, the flights are empty and the airport is a ghost town. You can lie all you want but this is a fact. Now, carry on please..

172_driver 13th Jun 2017 07:08


Truly superior pilots are those who use their superior judgement to avoid those situations where they may have to use their superior skills
Thing is, many don't think letting your manual flying skills fade is good judgement.

Emma Royds 13th Jun 2017 08:09

What we see now is I suspect to be the new status quo in the Middle East. Neither side looks like they have any desire to succumb to the demands of the other and to do so would be a national embarrassment.

Once this storm blows over and the outside world witnesses that it is 'business as usual' in Qatar, then life will continue. The gaps in the food supply chain seemed to have been filled in with Turkish and Iranian produce and the airline is still flying. QR offers a decent product out of a decent hub which is nearly always priced at a level that is more competitive than its Gulf neighbours. People will still continue to fly with them. If delayed and disrupted passengers are being well looked after then it might prompt them to consider flying QR again perhaps?

If the US was to move out of Qatar then we would not be seeing Tillerson and Trump giving such mixed messages about Qatar. There is the order for 70+ F-15 airframes that is being finalised at present plus the myriad of other future trade possibilities. Money talks at the end of the day.

We now have a more divided Gulf region and it looks like that it is here to stay. Perhaps the real winner here is Iran?

gatbusdriver 13th Jun 2017 08:39

I have to say any inside info may be correct with regards loads, but not so on my last three flights, that is fact from the horses mouth. Although I do admit we are only just into the second week.

Is this causing lost revenue? Of course it is, reroutes using extra fuel as well as some longer flight times which will lead to increased operating costs. Loss of 18 destinations which had multiple flights will certainly mean it is quieter in the terminal. I hope what the chief said yesterday holds true and we can open new destinations quickly and move on.

I think people need to calm down. We seem to be getting some sweeping genaralisations about the standards of crew, state of the airline among other things that seem a little baseless to me. We also have people stating that some airlines in the Gulf are better to work for than American legacy airlines, and that NPAs and visual circuits are not important......they are.....I wish we could maintain our handling skills on the job.......the fact is we can't and that goes for many carriers. So let's take a step back and stop behaving like certain ruling members of GCC countries.

One thing I will say, an escalation of the current situation is not good for any of the ME carriers. This spat will have an effect on all of our future bookings for this year and possibly next due to fears of instability in the Gulf. Again I could be talking out of my backside as price is usually king!

Here's hoping for a return to normality shortly.

Che Xindamail 13th Jun 2017 08:51

Well said, Emma

There is certainly no panic in the streets in Doha, though I read that Saudi milk is running out and being replaced by Turkish. Life goes on.

Regarding passenger loads, I just had a flight East (A330) removed and upgraded to 777 due pax loads. I guess the pax materialized out of thin air in the ghost town of an airport. Have to use my annual ticket to get back home next week due loads as well.

One more airway through Bahrain was opened up again yesterday. We have an astounding amount of traffic north to Iran during peak departures. Looks great on Flightradar 24. The new normal is settling in.

Meanwhile, UAL777 can stick to UAL issues, unless you, like most of the more immature posters on here, belong in the Wannabe section? Get well soon.

TURIN 13th Jun 2017 09:20

There is a knock on effect.
Flights to Europe are seeing a drop in loads with some cancellations.
Thin end of the wedge. :sad:

J.L.Seagull 13th Jun 2017 13:15


Originally Posted by Che Xindamail (Post 9800910)
Well said, Emma

One more airway through Bahrain was opened up again yesterday. We have an astounding amount of traffic north to Iran during peak departures. Looks great on Flightradar 24. The new normal is settling in.

I also overheard Muscat ATC asking some Qatari to contact Sanaa at IMKAD. I thought Yemen was in on this too.

FoxForce44 16th Jun 2017 11:38


Originally Posted by g109 (Post 9799482)
Exactly!!!! I am with you on that, the radio discipline of QR crews is some of the worst I've seen in the world

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-15/emirates-fined-4-270-after-two-unsafe-incidents-in-china

Radio discipline huh Goose?

Marcellus Wallace 16th Jun 2017 13:59

Too true...People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and all that...maybe not so smug now huh?

lfbb 16th Jun 2017 15:26

I’ll die not getting to see everything in aviation business, looks like we have some Top Guns Radio Operators around here....kkkk

richard III 17th Jun 2017 13:28

UAL777..been following your silly posts from the other thread....don't know what your issue with QR is, nor I care....nor will I get on arguments on what your "friends" tell you. Like I told you before, this situation affects everyone in the gulf. Instead of spreading bull in this forum, try to strike a more positive tone as all 3 Airlines are affected, the unmentionable one cannot afford !% drop in revenue, EK has a bit more leeway and QR obviously is affected as well, but the doomsday scenario that you paint... only your "friends" see it.....mate, look who got elected in the US thanks to trolls like you! You might want to take your expertise in geopolitics somewhere else and leave this forum to people that want to contribute to this community in a more positive and truthful tone...

ironbutt57 17th Jun 2017 18:36


Originally Posted by richard III (Post 9804879)
UAL777..been following your silly posts from the other thread....don't know what your issue with QR is, nor I care....nor will I get on arguments on what your "friends" tell you. Like I told you before, this situation affects everyone in the gulf. Instead of spreading bull in this forum, try to strike a more positive tone as all 3 Airlines are affected, the unmentionable one cannot afford !% drop in revenue, EK has a bit more leeway and QR obviously is affected as well, but the doomsday scenario that you paint... only your "friends" see it.....mate, look who got elected in the US thanks to trolls like you! You might want to take your expertise in geopolitics somewhere else and leave this forum to people that want to contribute to this community in a more positive and truthful tone...


why do you bother to respond?.....and also a nice opportunity for a cheap shot at Trump as well...time for you as well to contribute to this community in a more positive tone...

richard III 17th Jun 2017 23:15

agree iron...shouldn't bother, then again, no shot at Trump is cheap, but that's a matter of opinion, right?... now, let's get back on topic and try to be more optimistic and dispense with the crap, just went to Hamad and it was packed..no ghost town...


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