5 Star... not true...

A380 LHS
Usually the max is 13 days off, in February I had 8 Days off...
So no I do not have a minimum of 14 days off every month or at least not anymore...

Fact - I've got 11 this month including 2 ULRs, 2 trips to China, two to Europe, a sim and standbys!

So unless rest days count as days off; 5star who do I write to, to get my guaranteed minimum 14+ days off back from?

380 LHS : 8 days last month, 10 the month before. I think 5star is thinking f.o's... or maybe locals.. but certainly not me or any of my neighbours. And yes the 330/340 in the last few years before I left it was just as bad as the 777 now. Back then we at least had days off for "training" but other than that, same same. Always thought it was distasteful that for the first 2/3 of my career at EK, my Boeing neighbours lived quite the life,worked less hours and saw their wives, kids, had fun and saw actual daylight - but what was more distasteful is that many took every opportunity to gloat to all of us stuck on the mixed fleet, about how much better their lives were. Now we are all in the sh*t. At least for now I can avoid the subcontinent crap and for that I am thankful. But still exhausted. Keep discovering. Stick together and stop infighting like teenage girls. Doesn't help our cause.

.....Exactly!

Disclaimer - I'm not in airline or in fact any other employ these days.

May I remind you of a well used 'local' saying.

"Same, same ...... but different" :rolleyes::D:rolleyes:

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/ne...hoo&yptr=yahoo

Have a look at the Chart of the Pay Rates.

This is what we should be fighting for, not each other.

Happy Life
 

A6EEU

I am happy for u having good roasters.
but before u brag how good the 380 roasters are let me say somethings:
years ago all the nasty roasters had been distributed exclusivly to the 330/340 guys. Now things have changed and the 777 are the poor buggers running those roaster.
Further to say that u are obviously a direct rentry FO on the 380 who gets his big career step at roughly 4 years EK, while lots of ex330/340 FOs are shafted around there stick time, since the 330/340 stick time counts only half. Also the COM on 380 tend to disagree with u having good roasters as they are are flying equaly 100+ hours a month just a bit easier than the 777 guys.
So its easy to say how good your live is being sourrounded by all the others who got shafted in the on or the other way. Be sure your group of happy DEFO will be next as the happy shafting makes it round throug all parts of happy people.

For the "Mericans" who are looking for a really quick escape....there are four EK pilots in the current GoJets class that started a few days ago.

GoJets? Talk about from the frying pan and into the furnace...

5 star,

Are you thinking 380 FO?

I'm LHS 380 and here are my days off past 12 months.

10, 10, 13, 12, 13, 4 (vacation month), 11 (reserve), 8, 5 (vacation month), 9, 13

Where are you getting your "facts" from or are you just pulling numbers out of your a$$?

Many of us flew the 330 when all of India was night TA with the exception of Kolkata and had 8 days per month. Like Pumpkin said, a lot of our colleagues boasted how great things were on the 777 while quietly thanking the powers that be that they weren't on the fleet.

That aside, I agree with the above...scheduling is all bad now with occasional forays into the dangerous and will continue to be for the infinite future. Everyone gets their turn at some point and EK shows no favorites.

As for the raises and improvement of T and C? Will not happen here, think GF. They will continue to lower the bar until...well lets not go there.

Very sad to see arguing between the fleets. We should support each other.

The Indian layovers are a big improvement IMO. As turnarounds those flights were appalling and you would return from work the next afternoon not just exhausted but ill quite frankly!

but besides all of that, the 380 can't carry enough cargo, terrible
Tex (ex 380)

Who cares!!!

Sarcasm fatbus! 😎

Fatty, that was a joke, I heard that all the time when I was an active member of society, I was shattered.

Olster - that's unbelievable - well Scotland winning....

Very funny....( accurate, though)

Just..in the last 10 minutes got off Skype with a good friend of mine who has tendered his resignation in the last 4 weeks, his description of the process is enlightening and a little troubling.
Handed his letter in at fleet after a ULR, his mobile rings in the car home with a request to meet fleet and CP Boeing.
He duly attends the meeting where he is quizzed as to his resignation, he replied "rostering, quality of life, unsustainable, life shortening" the response was, we can offer you 2 weeks on 2 weeks off for the next 6 months, and then review it. He replied..ok let me see that in writing, he got the official offer of the freighter contract this week. Not surprisingly his original resignation date stands.
He described the body language of the fleet person and CPB as looking at broken people.

EGT looking at broken people?
Must be a joke?

BobDole....thought the f.... title of this thread was enough is enough. No reason to slam my response as I said it was a QUICK escape.

Indian layovers a roster improvement?

If losing another nights sleep and a day off compared to just doing a nasty T/A is an improvement then I need some of your coolaid.

Toughen the fu<k up princess.

Gimme the days off.

It is never enough.......they will never stop to surprise us.......now in case of recency renewal we also have to pay the sim.......
I am truly speechless.....

When ever are we even getting, even marginally, close to being out of recency??

EK really know how to treat their pilots! The latest weekly is a perfect example.

Yep, it's a user pay society over here at EK.

Shades of Ryanair?

It's not outwith the realms of possibility for those trying to fly the freighter as much as possible and especially if you throw in some leave into the equation as well.

Not going to be many trying to fly the freighter for long ;) ;) ;)

The best thing this place does is lie to itself.

What a mindlessly and unnecessarily rude reply.

hmmm I thought that too.. was trying to decide if this person is just a natural born asshole or has become one because of fatigue and general non stop abuse by EK

Sadly, prolonged fatigue does tend to turn one into an asshole. When it starts to affect family and friends then you have to make the choice to accept it or leave. Many are leaving now, some with no job to go to. AAR has the final say in rostering and has made no attempt to hide the fact that he is actively involved in making sure pilots are pushed to the limit, and in many cases, beyond the limit.

When I first joined EK, I heard pilots talking about going sick so they could attend things such as school events with their children, birthdays etc. My opinion then was that they were very selfish and crapping on their colleagues.

Whilst I still think that it is crapping on your colleagues, I am much more sympathetic to those that do manage their roster by going sick. And I also understand the reluctance by many to call sick fatigued.

I have no idea how much lower we can go but I do feel that we are now in the end game.

Love the latest missive from the Bouncy Castle, it looks to be straight out of the Idiots guide on how not to manage your employees.

So, in the vague chance one of you lazy pilots manages to compromise recency, by going sick or having a holiday, our IT and rostering staff/systems are so inept that it will be your responsibility and fault. If that happens you will have to pay for the simulator.

I honestly think there is a manager somewhere in the BC who is deliberately trying to chase pilots away, otherwise how else can you explain the total idiocy of that?

Ruserious,

I agree. I think that plan started when they forced A330 captains back to the right seat. They want guys to leave on their own rather than announce face-losing redundancies when the big downsizing starts.

Toolow

obviously some kind of recency issues happened lately so thats why the new shafting will take place.

I definitely think theres an element of truth to this, but then why all the expenditure on worldwide recruitment roadshows?
The more likely reason is that someone has had a recency issue...and rather than have people held too account, its much easier to blame lazy pilots.

Wow, is it the millennial generation mainly on here these days.

So many of these posts are about Me, Myself & I.

I would be ashamed if my kiddies got this demented on here.

A good weekend to all and go enjoy some grape juice or otherwise.

J

... Said the EK manger

I'd love to sit down and enjoy a nice glass of red, but unfortunately I'm working again and I've only had 2 days off together once (and 4 single days off) in the last 26 days.