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The Range 5th Jan 2017 10:13

Emirates running out of sky?
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...ing-out-of-sky


I think they just forgot the most important thing, the employee.

pilotguy1222 5th Jan 2017 10:33

Seems to be the one thing consistently ignored, even when stepping on us.

Interesting article to read, and with STC's comments at the end, gives a tiny bit of credit to a recent rumor the he and AAR will be "out" soon.

Nikita81 5th Jan 2017 11:02


I think they just forgot the most important thing, the employee.
The writer of this article wanted to meet me and talk about the e-mail I published about redundancies in DnataTravel. I told her I don't live in Dubai anymore and that everything I have to say for the press is written on my blog. Now, she had the chance to read other articles there and ask me about them, but she chose to ask only about redundancies which, indeed, means that she didn't write much about working conditions in EK on purpose.

notapilot15 5th Jan 2017 13:14

They never forgot the employee, they constantly working on squeezing one employee at a time.

Nikita81 5th Jan 2017 19:37

There are two factors of Emirates' seemingly sudden fall: greedy growth and rotten organizational culture. Both of them are equally important. The author of the article only analyzed the consequences of the growth, hinting the lack of union, law and employees' satisfaction. Therefore, this article is not objective nor completely informative.

CM can cut as many costs and allowances as he wants - treating the symptom of the disease is not a cure. He is trying to stop the cancer spreading, but if he wants to treat the cancer itself he has to regain the trust of EK's employees. To introduce some rules and justice. To respect people and their dignity. To not underestimate human intelligence and their capability to undermine the company by not giving their best at work and by spreading the bad word about the company.

Seems that big companies grow up until the point when everyone start to think of it as an autonomous organism. A company is a synergy of everyone involved. Cutting the costs is just a defence mechanism, a partial thinking, if done without healing company's human resources. And it seems, as always, that nobody deals with people at this sensitive moment. It might be the very reason why there is no salvation for EK...

Whairdhugo 5th Jan 2017 21:40

Well said. 👏 👍

There is no hope. I've always said it's not a matter of if but when.

The house of cards teeters...

exekcabincrew 5th Jan 2017 23:58

Interesting article. Slight hints on how EK is not playing by the rules and how its business model may run into serious trouble.

Even more interesting is that 9 hours after publishing this story, Bloomberg published another story on Emirates about how the company spends 500M to get their customers the best wines in the sky.

Must have been a coincidence, I doubt someone from EK called Bloomberg offering some fat advertising contract or something... :D

https://s23.postimg.org/cwtb9tiuz/shot.jpg

Plane and simple 6th Jan 2017 06:44


Originally Posted by exekcabincrew (Post 9631461)
Must have been a coincidence, I doubt someone from EK called Bloomberg offering some fat advertising contract or something... :D

https://s23.postimg.org/cwtb9tiuz/shot.jpg

Interesting observation. However, I would propose that this article proves exactly the opposite.

Bloomberg is worryingly mainstream for an anti EK headline.
It's almost as if nobody at HQ has the authority to throw "shut up money" at dissenting voices anymore.

There will be more like this to come. The business world was truly amazed at the rise...... now they are eagerly awaiting the fall.

halas 6th Jan 2017 09:55

From the Bloomberg article
 
Human resources chief Abdulaziz al-Ali says (staff complaining about curfews and visitor restrictions in Emirates-administered housing) is necessary because “we know a little more about this country than foreigners who come.” He insists that employees are happy—so much so, in fact, that “there is no reason for them to become unionized.”

:hmm:

halas

Nikita81 6th Jan 2017 11:56

On my appeal meeting Mr. Mattar (AS DSVP) tried to convince me, when I asked about the salary (again), that many people are happy with having only 2 Dhms for breakfast. It's not about the money, he said, it's about finding the way to be happy with what you have.

Of course, I wanted to ask him about his salary and how much his breakfast costs, but I was already in trouble for asking about Anoma Manuel's salary. I did say, however, something in those lines.

I also wrote Mr. Abdulaziz al-Ali a whatsapp message (I've got his personal number) and asked for my end of service money. He never responded. I guess he thought I was happy with nothing.

I guess we should all be happy and proud that we work or have worked for such a magnificent company. Salaries are just an irrelevant and small additions to the glory of being a part of the history. And if you die of hunger or exhaustion, well, you should still be proud. You made a history.

notapilot15 6th Jan 2017 13:58

It is not a easy task for CM. There are too many plane orders, there is flab in wrong places, cannot cut workforce overnight with such low morale, less oil money sources, LCCs are eating away, competition got into shape, non-stops are more viable with low oil prices, premium yields are down, loads are low, cannot send STC home and cannot cut marketing budget because Brits will turn on you.

Its a web CM has to fight through.

Nikita81 6th Jan 2017 15:00

He needs a team, of course.

BigGeordie 6th Jan 2017 15:43

He needs a team of about 65,000. If he can't get the employees on his side he has no chance.

Yarra 7th Jan 2017 14:21

He needs far less than that....bloated departments and inefficient work practices is what he needs to address...

GoreTex 8th Jan 2017 08:58

since I left last year I still come back to PPRUNE to read about EK, its so funny, its a comedy show and you never know what they do next, besides loosing their "working" employees they keep the "non working" and now they even start destroying their product, they had it all and now they are so screwed.

notapilot15 8th Jan 2017 12:24

Wine article would make sense if premium cabin yields are high and high percentage of premium passengers are paying for their ticket.

With low yields and F/J cabins are filled with free upgrades and free raiders, expensive wine means deeper hole.

A6EchoEchoUniform 8th Jan 2017 13:18


Originally Posted by notapilot15 (Post 9633975)
Wine article would make sense if premium cabin yields are high and high percentage of premium passengers are paying for their ticket.

With low yields and F/J cabins are filled with free upgrades and free raiders, expensive wine means deeper hole.

My understanding is that upon checkin Economy passengers get offered a business upgrade for 2000-4000 DHS for ULR. Business passengers get offered a first upgrade for 4000 DHS. Those are awfully small numbers in the grand scheme.

donpizmeov 8th Jan 2017 15:26

Any proof notapilot? Not true on the flights I am doing.

White Knight 8th Jan 2017 15:32

Same same Don...

The Outlaw 8th Jan 2017 17:07

Don & White Knight,

Full flights do not mean positive yield. We operate many sectors at a loss to provide through passengers on more lucrative routes. Airlines all over the globe do this. Free upgrades occur on every flight, ask any station manager for details.

What concerns me is QR, who have a better suited fleet to ride the downturn, I'm sure they have "other" advantages that none may speak of.

Cost per passenger seat mile. Hard to compete with 787 and 350 that burn about half of the A380, even the T7 is a front runner but alas, it has no shower and bar for Ms. Anniston...what to do?

Maybe passengers will only by Y class now so they'll get a chance to meet her and play video games.

Hellof Tomorow.


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