That is a sad fact . And a 5 year bond for Type rated and experienced guys, atrocious. They know that people would want to leave in no time. I wonder who wants to join them with these T&C.

Enough people with widebody fever available. If not, lower the requirements.

I was hired in June of 2008, I am in my 9th year.

I am an F/O by choice, my base pay is 30,405 AED and flight pay is 55 AED an hour, that equals 35,080 AED per month.

Emirates is willing to paying 9th year F/O salary for a level 2 F/O, not a bad deal, wish they had that when I joined, not sure about the year of captain pay, but I would guess it is about the same.

But here is the problem as I see it, for the F/O's who are looking at this, Emirates needs "baby sitters" and please don't get me wrong, Emirates pilots are some of the best I have flown with in just over 40 years of flying and 32 years with different airlines, not sure who wants the "level 2", maybe it is the insurance companies or just knee jerk stuff, but you will be coming here to sit next to captains that are "level 1" in the eyes of the powers in charge, and you most likely be there for a long, long time.

Emirates is not going to grow, just look at what is going on in the "real" world, and what CM is best at, this is aviation, things change, there are is no such thing as how many years to "command".

So with all that said, if I were a young guy looking to be a captain in a few years, be careful, but, if you are a DEC or a old F/O looking for a job and do not care about upgrade, this is as good as it gets in the ME.

spot on,north flyer

we used to have 1 salary scale: you get hired you are on step 1, when you are upgraded you jump 10 steps (suppose after 4 yrs = you go step 14). DEC get hired step 13 to start with.. we used to have 22 step increment for captain (step 14 to 35) and 13 for FOs(FO cannot go higher then step 13)...this new "thing" change the prospective...wonder if a new hired FO is aware that if he does not upgrade in 4yrs (very unlikely) he will be shafted....hello tomorrow

But I guess the deal for a Type 1 FO is significantly lower than previous...not much a good deal anymore, or maybe never was?

Late Sep-11 joiners already finished upgrade...

No, there has been no decrease in "Level1", entry level basic pay was and still is circa 25400.

I find the whole thing absolutely disgusting.... why, after a few years in the company, should I be paid less than a level 2, or whatever the name is, new joiner?
Another slap in the face! Hello tomorrow, hell today. Keep discovering.

This is a no go for the loco pilots in the world. I've read about DEC from Ryan, Wizz, etc, but there is a requirement for wide body experience that few loco drivers have.
Am I missing something?

Who are they targeting?

Maybe retired LH skippers.... :confused:

Well, yes, but those would be wide body captains.
I don't understand the narrow body focus. How many 737 drivers are there with 1000 hrs wide body time?

Year after year no more than step increase.......then this??? Insulting.....

Unless they match this 'Level 2 salary' to the experienced FO's / Capts already here who match this criteria..........unlikely

Is this any different to junior Boeing FOs, getting promoted before and getting better T&Cs than than the more senior Bus FOs?

Same same but different.

Advertising for these level two dudes, and actually having them apply, pass the recruitment stuff and get hired will be two very different things me thinks.

LEVEL 2 FO, opens the door for DEFO with rapid command, to shaft the FO again.

LEVEL 2 COM : is excactly the profile for ex Air France, Swiss, LH who have to stop working with 60years of age. they get another fett 5 years. - and the advantage is you will find some shafted FO again - isnt that cool

Or maybe they don't even know... :confused:

If I was a retiring widebody skipper from any of those flag carriers, the only reason I would be going to work in Dubai would be if my pension income was being raided by a few much-younger ex-wives.

Maybe they should introduce a 3rd divorce as a requirement for Level 2 DEC.

OR

Well, considering there were a few ex BA guys working for Monarch/First Choice and a few other UK charters in the past, when retirement was at 55, I don't see what's so unusual to come here for a few years.

Especially if they're from the UK, with the current exchange rate they'd be clearing over double what you're taking home at JET 2 right now....even without the accommodation allowance. Still, if those outfits are really as good as everyone's always claiming, why bother anyway.....not matter how many ex wives. More money you earn, the more they get.

Just got an email from our 'enry, more half baked attempts...

Yeah, seems he only sent through half of the email. He forgot the bit where it mentions that those who meet the requirements currently in the company will have their salaries bought in line with the new improved conditions.
I'm sure he'll realize his error and send through the completed version later today. After all the people that are working to enable this company to continue their expansion come first and will be rewarded accordingly.....Right?