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jetjockey696 8th Jul 2016 14:46

CHINA is coming to dubai...
 
B737/B777/B787/A320/A330/A380 Captains for our exclusive China Pilot Job Roadshow in Dubai on August 15th- 21st, 2016

China Southern Airlines (CSA) is in large demand of 100 pilots this year on its B777, B787 and A330 fleets. This opportunity is available to both rated and non-type rated captains, as CSA will convert A320 Captains to the A330, and Boeing Captains to the B777/787. Extremely valuable now that you could apply for overseas bases like FRA, BNE, LHR, AMS,LAX based on “First come, First served”.

Monthly income for B777/787/A330 TR pilots - 19,000 USD for first year; 19,000 USD for second year; 20,000 USD for third year; 21,000 USD for fourth year.

Monthly income for B777/787/A330 NTR pilots - 18,000 USD for first year; 19,000 USD for second year; 20,000 USD for third year; 21,000 USD for fourth year.

Annual Leave: 20 days (including sick leave) and 7 days leave without pay.

Work patterns: 10 days off per month for pilots who based in CAN; 8 days off per month for pilots who based outside of China

$6000/y safety bonus to be paid annually;

International tickets for pilots and families. Medical insurance offered by Smile Aviation and housing allowance ($830 per month) provided for pilots based in Guangzhou.

All amounts above are net of Chinese tax.

4-year contract


AND SOMETHING FOR THE FLYDUBAI PILOTS

Best B737 offer in terms of remuneration, commuting, base and environment!

Xiamen airlines (XMA), as the only Chinese airline who operates all Boeing aircraft, was established in July 1984, biggest shareholder of which is China Southern Airlines. To date, the fleet of Xiamen includes 126 B737NG, 6 B757, 6 B787, and Xiamen aims to expand to 243 B737NG/Max and 12 B787 by the end of 2025. They now operates a flight network of more than 200 routes, the routes cover 67 major cities in Asia and intercontinental routes to Sydney, New York and Amsterdam operated by B787.


Up to $ 323,868 USD (Resident) and $311,868 USD (Commuting) net yearly income

Commuting 4 weeks on/ 4 weeks off, 38days on 22days off, 2 months on/2 months off available

Base Xiamen -a modern coastal city in East China, ranked as “most suitable city for living” and “most romantic leisure city” in China

Education and Global insurance allowance

Kapitanleutnant 8th Jul 2016 15:47

You're right... But when big money is involved, pilots will always sit up and take notice. We're pilots... That's how we roll.

K

RexBanner 8th Jul 2016 16:05

I think that's how most people roll, not just pilots ;-)

AMEX 8th Jul 2016 17:45

So high pay is suspicious and low pay is better ???

Keep flying 100h plus sims and moan here then... I m not going there but I fail to get the logic.

sluggums 8th Jul 2016 18:25

...and the leave is awesome. What a joke. Since when was sick days included in the leave?

777-200LR 8th Jul 2016 19:50

Yep, you come down with the flu for 3 days, "so sorry Captain, you're Xmas leave is now cancelled as you have no leave left"

harry the cod 8th Jul 2016 21:49

XMA might work financially but CSA's package is a joke. Why would you go and work for a Company offering less than half the leave EK has when it's one of the main complaints here, not getting 42 days leave? Makes no sense whatsoever. When you then factor in your sickness being deducted from leave, you're asking for trouble! Salary is hardly worth the hassle too, even for a fairly junior Captain, unless you have a burning desire to breath smog and eat soupy noodles for the next ten years.

As for the most romantic leisure city, that was a joke right? Venice, Paris, Rome, Barcelona maybe. Xiamen? Er, think I'll stick with a cheap curry in Satwa, a few beers upstairs in the York Hotel and 500 dits for someone from Xiamen to whisper sweet nothings into my Japs eye for a few hours.

Now THAT'S romantic!

Harry

tomuchwork 8th Jul 2016 22:51

Interesting comments on the China pay... So, why are you in the ME? For the nice, lovely warm weather? (^^).

China is absolutely worth a shot(commuting only), much better contracts nowadays than ME. Will look into that for my last few years before retirement when the kids are out of the house if I make it till then ;-)

kingpost 9th Jul 2016 04:58

Be careful gents, you may be sitting on the same fourth years salary for ever - crunch the numbers, it's not worth the move!!

DCS99 9th Jul 2016 05:11


Originally Posted by harry the cod (Post 9434136)
... Er, think I'll stick with a cheap curry in Satwa, a few beers upstairs in the York Hotel and 500 dits for someone from Xiamen to whisper sweet nothings into my Japs eye for a few hours.

Now THAT'S romantic!

Harry

500 plus a curry?
Where was that deal on the Platinum Card offers list?

fatbus 9th Jul 2016 07:12

How many EK pilots have actually gone to any Chinese carrier?
How any do you really think will go in the next 18 months?
EK pilots are known around the world as complainers , talk the talk but don't walk the walk.
I personally know 15 pilots that have gone to China over the last 5 years, shocking high number!
Update as you wish

Sheikh Your Bootie 9th Jul 2016 08:09

Interesting, that so many companies are coming to DXB first of all habibis.

Now as to the package that CSA offer. Hahaaaa, 20 days leave and sick leave leave deducted, surely they jest :=:=

A 4 years contract only, no thanks.

Chinese medicals, are more akin to Astronaut medicals, every 6 months. Good luck with that as you get older. I have heard nightmare stories directly from guys that have attended interviews, initial medicals, and the poor standards of cleanliness at CAAC medical headquarters.

There is a reason that the $$$$ is high, living and working in China :ugh::ugh: I mean its not all bad, but each to their own.

SyB :yuk::yuk:

outside limits 9th Jul 2016 11:00

Good points lads regarding the leave at CSA. It's a joke,as is its duty travel and commuting travel policy. Well, it does not have one. Up the the cabin purser if you get fed & where you sit. They are pushing for more pilots because people on leave from other airlines are happily returning and someone tends to know someone working for CSA & the job description isn't flash. Do your homework on this one.

felixthecat 11th Jul 2016 09:33

20 days leave including sick??? Seriously going to need far better than that to even get a little nibble, I work to live not live to work...... Not a chance

Also a bit confused...China Southern is offering B777/Year 1/3 19k per month (228,000 PA) Year 3 20k per month (240,000 PA) Year 4 21k per month (252,000PA) with 20 days off.... Yet then they say Xiamen on B737 who has China Southern as main shareholder is offering up to 323,000PA and even offering 4 on 4 off.

Whats the deal? Such widely differing T&C for two companies with same major shareholder and more money on B737 than B777?? Strange....

AMEX 11th Jul 2016 09:42


Originally Posted by felixthecat (Post 9436352)
20 days leave including sick??? Seriously going to need far better than that to even get a little nibble, I work to live not live to work...... Not a chance

Commuting 4 weeks on/ 4 weeks off, 38days on 22days off, 2 months on/2 months off available

Often commuting contracts will have less leave than full time ones simply because the time off is scheduled at regular intervals such as stated above.
In an 8 weeks period with EK, how many times do you achieve 4 weeks off consecutively and repeatedly during the year ?
I don't know the specifics but looks to me than 4 weeks on/off is like 6 months leave a year. Days off granted whilst "On" will be minimal but just like it is with EK. However, the 4 weeks off to follow can be a value to many.

Horses for courses, nobody is forced to leave EK and its great rostering practice 😀😀😀 conducive to a healthy lifestyle.

RemoveB4Flght 11th Jul 2016 10:05

I suppose the advantage is if you live in/near one of the reverse scheduling points like BNE, LAX, FRA, AMS, LHR, etc. Then your days off are at home and you're not spending a large part of your income in an intermediary country like we do here in the sandbox.

It would be interesting to talk to pilots currently flying from RSP and get their take on how well that is working.

Short of that, the way I see making China work is to get in, fly your ass off one one of the higher paying contracts for 3-5 years, pad the retirement fund, and then move on to a more agreeable location.

felixthecat 11th Jul 2016 10:15

The 4 on 4 off commuting reads that its for Xiamen in the post not for China Southern who are offering the 20 days including sick days. Thats far below what even EK get :)

fatbus 11th Jul 2016 23:11

CSA is planing MOMO but have a read of the details, 720 hrs, all recurrent don't be on month off , commute in Y on CSA plus a few other bits

The Dominican 12th Jul 2016 02:18

I find interesting that all you read about EK is how awful it is..., but the same folks always complaining about EK, seem to always find everything negative that is to be found about any other alternative....!

clear to land 12th Jul 2016 03:20

As professionals it is important to examine all details-any commuting job that does not include J class travel for its Captains makes you question the value that company places on its employees. Also, deducting sick leave from Annual Leave is a deal breaker for most experienced western pilots.


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