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fliion 25th Jun 2016 20:35
Brexit - EK UK citizens back to FR (or other) with EU basings?
 
One would have thought that the EU needs to create a hard landing for UK citizens as a disincentive to other countries who may think of following

So European jobs for EU citizens only may be on the table. That's how it works in US.

Can't really see how it's fair to give European jobs to those who don't want to be part of Europe.

Green card system possibly.

But if it's British jobs for Britons only - then EU jobs for Europeans only?

buggerall 25th Jun 2016 21:14
Originally Posted by fliion (Post 9420185)
One would have thought that the EU needs to create a hard landing for UK citizens as a disincentive to other countries who may think of following

So European jobs for EU citizens only may be on the table. That's how it works in US.

Can't really see how it's fair to give European jobs to those who don't want to be part of Europe.

Green card system possibly.

But if it's British jobs for Britons only - then EU jobs for Europeans only?
Going to be a while till we find out. I suspect a mutual freedom of movement agreement will prevail

Aluminium shuffler 26th Jun 2016 03:51
It'll be more than two years before it's an issue, but I expect that there will either be a very open arrangement of visas for business staff, much like here, or that there will be a blanket open system for people already employed overseas (or in the UK) to continue. I can't see much changing for multinational companies other than some paperwork.

furbpilot 26th Jun 2016 10:24
Work permit for non EU citizen...no more employment on EU registered AC. You got what you wanted and you are extra communitarian now, just SHUT UP and have your cup.of tea..at 5..o' clock!

Praise Jebus 26th Jun 2016 11:45
Landed today in a European City and observed two Brits being sent from the Euro passport line at immigration to the "others" line....bit quick.

SOPS 26th Jun 2016 13:16
that's early, they are still in at the moment.

Emma Royds 26th Jun 2016 14:08
Whilst some politicians in what remains of the Eurozone will want to play hard ball, the reality is bound to be different.

There is too much interdependency in the airline industry in Europe. easyJet is a good case in point as it is a British airline that connects many European cities and employs many Europeans in the process.

Things are very unlikely to change soon.

White Knight 26th Jun 2016 14:48
Originally Posted by praise jebus
Landed today in a European City and observed two Brits being sent from the Euro passport line at immigration to the "others" line....bit quick.
Probably a bit more to that than met your eye PJ as the UK is still, today, in the EU... Sadly:}

JAARule 26th Jun 2016 15:01
Does this thread have anything to do with aviation?

Attempt to appear intellectual (especially by septics) by posting on world events = waste of bandwidth and time.

Please relegate this to Jetblast where it belongs, they're no doubt already discussing the finer points

thatwasclose 26th Jun 2016 15:23
It does have something to do with aviation . As a UK citizen how in the future will I be able to be employed by Ryan air say at a Cyprus base. Or easy in Portugal or Amsterdam . Or whizz in Poland . Or carg lux . The list goes on . We do not know what will happen . However from what I understand I will not be able to . Why would the EU let us . It seems we left due to uncontrolled immigration , as in freedom of movement . If we don't allow freedom of movement for EU nationals why the hell will they let us have it ?
So I believe my job prospects may have been significantly narrowed in order to kick out a few thousand people ( at the most )

fliion 26th Jun 2016 16:17
Anyone who thinks Brexit isn't relevant to aviation shouldn't be commenting on intellect.

Emma Royds 26th Jun 2016 18:28
I can't see recent developments affecting skilled professionals. At the worst there may be some extra paperwork to navigate through that didn't exist before but I doubt that it will be a complex issue.

There are many Europeans who live and work for UK airlines and BA at first glance seems to employ a sizeable number of Europeans, relative to the number of Brits who are employed at other European flag carriers. I suspect BA and many other UK airlines will not be changing their recruitment policy soon.

If you want an existing example of diversity and free and open borders within the aviation industry within Europe, look no further than the UK. To think that someone from the other side of the world with the right to live and work within Europe will suddenly be more employable than someone from the UK is totally unrealistic.

fliion 26th Jun 2016 19:13
Emma - I admire your confidence in the EU agreeing to "a little paperwork and it's all sorted"

BA & EZY shares down 25% & 18.5% respectively

Flightglobal opinion piece.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/opinion-brexit-vote-threatens-dire-consequences-for-426686/

Even more worrying is in the middle of the article of lead FT headline today:

"Britain faces up to ..." cannot copy and paste for some reason.

In that Companies will no longer be allowed to "passport their services to EU"

152wiseguy 26th Jun 2016 21:13
Originally Posted by Emma Royds (Post 9421130)
I can't see recent developments affecting skilled professionals. At the worst there may be some extra paperwork to navigate through that didn't exist before but I doubt that it will be a complex issue.

There are many Europeans who live and work for UK airlines and BA at first glance seems to employ a sizeable number of Europeans, relative to the number of Brits who are employed at other European flag carriers. I suspect BA and many other UK airlines will not be changing their recruitment policy soon.

If you want an existing example of diversity and free and open borders within the aviation industry within Europe, look no further than the UK. To think that someone from the other side of the world with the right to live and work within Europe will suddenly be more employable than someone from the UK is totally unrealistic.
You're probably right Emma. However one of the supposed benefits of leaving was a reduction in red tape. Your perfectly logical statement suggests that we are going to have more not less. :ugh:

I don't think many folk that voted to leave have really thought this through.

Praise Jebus 27th Jun 2016 09:37
There is the question of the AOC that Easy bases operate under. I assume it's a UK one?

ExDubai 27th Jun 2016 12:45
Originally Posted by Praise Jebus (Post 9421711)
There is the question of the AOC that Easy bases operate under. I assume it's a UK one?
The have also a swiss one and I assume the will act quickly to get one from another EU country. Maybe the will put an irish harp on the tail :}

ExDubai 28th Jun 2016 15:42
Ryanair will shift investment away from UK after Brexit vote

MOL starts shifting investment to the continent....

Journey Man 30th Jun 2016 15:06
I can't see recent developments affecting skilled professionals. At the worst there may be some extra paperwork to navigate through that didn't exist before but I doubt that it will be a complex issue.

There are many Europeans who live and work for UK airlines and BA at first glance seems to employ a sizeable number of Europeans, relative to the number of Brits who are employed at other European flag carriers. I suspect BA and many other UK airlines will not be changing their recruitment policy soon.

If you want an existing example of diversity and free and open borders within the aviation industry within Europe, look no further than the UK. To think that someone from the other side of the world with the right to live and work within Europe will suddenly be more employable than someone from the UK is totally unrealistic.
I disagree. Airlines have shown themselves to care only about cost. Additional cost associated with employing similarly qualified crew should favour UK crew. Relative experience is immaterial. The current UK situation, whilst it may be an example of diversity, is also an excellent example of why freedom of movement of workers is much less valuable to the average Britain. The EU rules are not applied quite as equally as we all would hope.

The lazy argument is that the British are generally worse at languages, yet my experience is of a reasonable number of multilingual British pilots who would never have an opportunity in foreign carriers.

Monarch Man 30th Jun 2016 15:20
It's already becoming abundantly clear that despite the cries of Armageddon, world war 3 hasn't kicked off, the U.K. hasnt drifted off into the Atlantic, nor has a mass extinction event occurred.
The Eurocrats federalists are baying for blood publically and yet, there are already conciliatory noises being made towards the UK...apart from the usual protagonists who would never concede anyway!
I predict a couple of things, there will be a free trade deal done with the EU...and Germany will lead the charge, secondly the UK will compromise on the free movement of labour...but with the proviso that new immigrants to the UK won't be granted access to the benefit system without a significant qualifying period.

Already, despite the political chaos....the world is getting on with getting on.


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