From my recollection, step 1 to 13 is FO and Captain starts on step 14. So, most FOs see a good jump in pay when upgraded from say step 6 to 14 whereas the steps to 13 are for those who "wish to" remain in the RHS.
Skippers now go from step 14 to 35 which means after 15 years as a Captain you are not pay frozen anymore. There are now 5 more years of "financial enticements" to stop the experience leaving (which isn't happening as I met another 2 senior fellows leaving shortly) after notice expires. Safe flying and enjoy that 8AED / HR pay raise. J |
Does that mean step 14 is the 36000 advertised on the emirates career page? I am trying to work out how much will I be earning in year 1 and how much as the years progress
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Yep the one on the website is step 14. We have been frozen on the same step three times since 2008. So your calcs should be considered best case.
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Right, I think Ive got it now! So there's one pay scale for all pilots, with capts starting at step 14 (currently approx 36000 as advertised). I was assuming there were separate pay scales for capt & FO with 36000 representing capt step 1. Same same but different!
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It is one scale in effect. It's just that there are 2 tables merely to reflect that FO's stop at spine point 13. FO's who are promoted go up 10 steps or go to step 14, which ever is the greater.
I assume that DEC's come in at step 14? But they should really come in at step 10 IMHO. |
So a DEC starts at step 14 which is currently approximately 36000 and every year expect a move to the next step at 3% until step 35 which is the top?
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And something else, step 14 which is currently about 36000, never gets adjusted for inflation? So even if I join in 2 years time, step 14 will still be 36000?
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The pilot group has not had a pay rise since...what is it? 2009? I am sure someone will have the correct date.
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Worse than that.
If they begrudgingly give you your contracted yearly step as a pay rise, inflation in Dubai is higher, so effectively its more of a slow painful pay cut year on year. Lets not forget VAT ( 5%) is looming in 2018 so 3% this year and 3% next year, means that come 2018, well you do the maths. |
Originally Posted by TineeTim
(Post 9399153)
The leaving/joining numbers above are incorrect. The last guy to join in 2015 started on 13/12 at number 3905 (380 F/O MJ). Today his number is 3837- up 68 numbers in just under 6 months. The total on the list today is 4104- up 199.
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So up 199 and we've lost 68, that equates to approx for every 3 in, we lose 1 - those are grounds to up the salary big time!! Percentage wise, it's about 3.5% per year. No doubt that's higher than they'd like but it must not be high enough that they feel the need to do something about it. If we see a big increase in that rate, or if they really are having difficulty attracting enough guys, then maybe they'll look at it again. Not holding my breath! |
Originally Posted by TineeTim
(Post 9399492)
Based on what we saw in the email the other day, I'd have to say it's not.
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Ghosts
Guys and don't forget about all those ghost pilots that never joined but their names are still in the seniority list with their planned date of joining...
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Really... Ok, give me a ghost staff number...
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The only I knew of, now at Turkish, and here recently running a road show, is no longer on the list.
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Yep, he went off the list a while ago. If we're going to state facts, let's try to back them up...?
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Originally Posted by sluggums
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Really... Ok, give me a ghost staff number...
Check seniority list number 312#. DOJ 07-JUN-13... |
There're no joiners on June 7th
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Originally Posted by The Zohan
(Post 9400680)
There're no joiners on June 7th
Here we go: It's the first column, and not the last one (last one is Date of Service), and the middle one is Date of Birth. Hope it helps. |
FL3- I'll be buggered. You are right. First time I've seen this. I wonder how many other Ghost numbers are there.
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