From my recollection, step 1 to 13 is FO and Captain starts on step 14. So, most FOs see a good jump in pay when upgraded from say step 6 to 14 whereas the steps to 13 are for those who "wish to" remain in the RHS.
Skippers now go from step 14 to 35 which means after 15 years as a Captain you are not pay frozen anymore. There are now 5 more years of "financial enticements" to stop the experience leaving (which isn't happening as I met another 2 senior fellows leaving shortly) after notice expires. Safe flying and enjoy that 8AED / HR pay raise. J |
Does that mean step 14 is the 36000 advertised on the emirates career page? I am trying to work out how much will I be earning in year 1 and how much as the years progress
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Yep the one on the website is step 14. We have been frozen on the same step three times since 2008. So your calcs should be considered best case.
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Right, I think Ive got it now! So there's one pay scale for all pilots, with capts starting at step 14 (currently approx 36000 as advertised). I was assuming there were separate pay scales for capt & FO with 36000 representing capt step 1. Same same but different!
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It is one scale in effect. It's just that there are 2 tables merely to reflect that FO's stop at spine point 13. FO's who are promoted go up 10 steps or go to step 14, which ever is the greater.
I assume that DEC's come in at step 14? But they should really come in at step 10 IMHO. |
So a DEC starts at step 14 which is currently approximately 36000 and every year expect a move to the next step at 3% until step 35 which is the top?
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And something else, step 14 which is currently about 36000, never gets adjusted for inflation? So even if I join in 2 years time, step 14 will still be 36000?
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The pilot group has not had a pay rise since...what is it? 2009? I am sure someone will have the correct date.
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Worse than that.
If they begrudgingly give you your contracted yearly step as a pay rise, inflation in Dubai is higher, so effectively its more of a slow painful pay cut year on year. Lets not forget VAT ( 5%) is looming in 2018 so 3% this year and 3% next year, means that come 2018, well you do the maths. |
Originally Posted by TineeTim
(Post 9399153)
The leaving/joining numbers above are incorrect. The last guy to join in 2015 started on 13/12 at number 3905 (380 F/O MJ). Today his number is 3837- up 68 numbers in just under 6 months. The total on the list today is 4104- up 199.
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So up 199 and we've lost 68, that equates to approx for every 3 in, we lose 1 - those are grounds to up the salary big time!! Percentage wise, it's about 3.5% per year. No doubt that's higher than they'd like but it must not be high enough that they feel the need to do something about it. If we see a big increase in that rate, or if they really are having difficulty attracting enough guys, then maybe they'll look at it again. Not holding my breath! |
Originally Posted by TineeTim
(Post 9399492)
Based on what we saw in the email the other day, I'd have to say it's not.
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Ghosts
Guys and don't forget about all those ghost pilots that never joined but their names are still in the seniority list with their planned date of joining...
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Really... Ok, give me a ghost staff number...
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The only I knew of, now at Turkish, and here recently running a road show, is no longer on the list.
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Yep, he went off the list a while ago. If we're going to state facts, let's try to back them up...?
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Originally Posted by sluggums
(Post 9400513)
Really... Ok, give me a ghost staff number...
Check seniority list number 312#. DOJ 07-JUN-13... |
There're no joiners on June 7th
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Originally Posted by The Zohan
(Post 9400680)
There're no joiners on June 7th
Here we go: It's the first column, and not the last one (last one is Date of Service), and the middle one is Date of Birth. Hope it helps. |
FL3- I'll be buggered. You are right. First time I've seen this. I wonder how many other Ghost numbers are there.
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The guy you are referring to, when did he leave?
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Originally Posted by fatbus
(Post 9400961)
The guy you are referring to, when did he leave?
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What are you on about FL3? He was head of pilot recruitment and left fairly recently.
I also heard the head of HR pilot recruitment got the boot recently. Anybody have confirmation about that? It would seem things not happy in that department. No crisis though right? |
Originally Posted by Kamelchaser
(Post 9400975)
What are you on about FL3? He was head of pilot recruitment and left fairly recently.
I also heard the head of HR pilot recruitment got the boot recently. Anybody have confirmation about that? It would seem things not happy in that department. No crisis though right? The guy I am talking about NEVER joined (in person) the company!! Search as others and I did. |
I believe AW is leaving. That who you are referring to Kamelchaser?
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One senior HR manager involved in recruitment booted out last week. Initials are correct Don.
Ok FL3, there's one 'ghost' pilot, it's hardly a conspiracy. If there were a couple of dozen then I'd agree with you. Any others...? |
Well I will be fecked...Four joiners showing on the 7th Jun, only two in the company. Were the other two recent leavers? Or never show up like AB?
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