No need to apologise, Left Coaster. You were spot on and I enjoyed the only too predictable irony. I am old fashioned enough to wince when I see poor grammar / spelling but 'modern' enough ( I guess!) not to be too anal. I do have a sense of humour and trust me, it is a much needed qualification for survival as a pilot in the ME regardless of the size of the 'package'.

B/rgds,

Olster

Fixed it for you 👍🏻

The unmentionable airline's pay is on the website plus most allowances. Its not as great as you would imagine and the tax free bit makes little differences as the basic is adjusted downwards accordingly.

I believe the best pay would be in the far east, China and Hong Kong. depends on
your status and long term or short term view.

Is EZY really that bad these days?

Olster's or is it Olsters or Olsters' was spot on. Simple numbers of basic pay doth not paint even a small part of the work picture. The education allowance is a significant factor ( should it be applicable). Take your time and vet all three.

There was a large movement of QR pilots to (not EK) a few years ago. That trend has actually reversed ! Just a few but it is happening .

Good luck.

This website Pilot Jobs Network - Recruitment news for airline pilots and aviation schools has salaries listed for QR, EK and EY. This ends the debate quickly. So long as its accurate.

I have a friend with a young family evaluating the top 3, are there any restrictions on First Officers with children travelling in business with Qatar?

Whilst that may seem like an important perk, especially if home is a 14 hour flight away, J class travel for kids shouldn't be a prime deal breaker for your friend. Overall quality of life (work vs leisure time), education (quality & cost), general living environment, accommodation (location & standard), Company culture (punitive vs Just) route network and time to command should all feature above that. Some may disagree? Either way, a difficult decision for sure.

Sadly, 7 or so years ago it would have been much easier.

Harry

Demand for Pilots is so high within the region and the overall packages of all of the big 3 or 4 is so similar that you have to at least suspect collusion and wage fixing. In some cases it's also difficult to leave one to move to another.

12 years old for kids in business. I tend to leave them at home unless the wife is travelling with them in economy.

Don't know what airline you are referring to but for EK it's 13 years old for kids in business, unless you are a captain then it's ok, because captain kids are more well behaved.

It was in reference to QR.

The "other airline" has no restrictions in business class, under 12's not allowed in first class. Captains only can buy ID90 F but all staff can buy ID50 F. I never buy ID50 F, it's too expensive.

"Demand for Pilots in the region is so high..."

So true Polax and it won't decrease any time soon, especially for experienced ones. So far as slaries go, SV leaves them all well behind plus zero tax and very cheap cost of living. They haven't got a fraction of the qualified crew they require this year and they need ~350 / year up to 2020!

The other 3 "over tha back fence" continue to seek similar numbers too.

Of course there's a few negatives and a few positives in any place and that remains for the individual to assess.

Happy Landings:ok:

Chocks: Basic Salary at SV is below Emirates and on the A330, Embraer and 747 you take little more than basic salary home.


Don't forget that Emirates had profit sharing this year, something in the order of 4-6 months salary plus they get per diem, flight pay and productivity. I would think that on average they are not far short of doubling their basic salary. They get a provident fund on top.


I agree if you're on the 777 or the A320 at SV and you chose to work your socks off then you may do marginally better than Emirates. "Leaves them well behind".....This is not a true statement.


The reality is there is collusion between these 4 companies regarding salary budgets and none really over pays compared to another. Within SV though their is significant disparity between fleets making some fleets look over paid and others under paid.

Doubling of our basic salary at Emirates?? LOL. Now that's funny. No where close to doubling. Productivity? Even as short as we are scheduling somehow manages to get you just shy of productivity every month. I'm sure they're are some who go into productivity but not enough to justify to others to join this place. 4 or 6 month bonus? Wrong again...someone correct me but I think it was only 9 weeks. Even with record profits, the days of 6 month profit shares are long gone!

4 to 6 months profit share.. What are you smoking?

Well I'm certainly not drinking....

That 9 weeks was the first of 2 installments. That's what I heard. Was that misinformation??

Yes, that was misinformation- it was 9 weeks and that's all.

Profit share has been as high as 14 weeks and as low as zero in the last decade- probably averaging about 4 weeks- so way short of what you've been told.

Productivity is still set at a stupidly high mark of 88 hours in a 31 day month- and that doesn't include things like sim and ground-shcools, so so guys are getting a bit, but that just means they are working to hard!!

Not the smartest thing to come on a site populated by a large group from a particular airline and tell them how much they earn!!!

Ok then Wizo: so that no more misinformation goes out from idiots like me, tell us. You take 10 Emirates guys from different fleets add all of their income together including productivity, this years profit share, per diem, provident fund etc. Divide it appropriately to give an individual monthly average, what do you get??

Well- I'm guessing average stick hours across the fleets is about 90 hours- so 88 hours flight pay, 2 hours productivity.

We don't get per diems. We get a small cash allowence when on overnights (ZERO for turn arounds) which just about covers food and nothing else, so I'm not counting that.

Employer Provident fund contribution is 12%.

Why use this years profit share? It was at the high end and very unlikely to be repeated any time soon- let's use my average of 4 weeks.

I came up with 1.24x basic salary.

Using 9 weeks I came up with 1.28.

SOME are doing 96 hours, which would make it around 1.4- but obviously by working their tail off (Remember- an hour here is an hour flying the aircraft- no such thing as "credit" hours, loading etc.)

So, nothing like you were quoting based on what you'd "heard"- when you know there are people who have accurate information, why not just ask?