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Did he maybe suggest "1 additional sim session before an LPC/OPC" just for the heck of it. Or 1 standard each month, so he could try it out....:))))

No he doesn't. It's an insidious manipulation to make you attack him and whine even more.

I will explain:

He always tries to sound "reasonable" and to get some extra points by sounding "objective" and "rational", but if you think about him and his orderly presence here (if we assume that he is a pilot and not a management troll), you have to ask yourself: why is he coming here?

Here is my theory: he also comes here to vent out, but he does it in a sly way - by reading your posts and by answering them.

Reading whining on a regular basis is also whining, whether you admit it or not. You use other people's whining as your soul food (so if Harry manipulates you to attack him and whine more, it's more soul food for him and bigger sense of self-importance). And sometimes, when you want to feel respected (because company took away all your dignity from you) you make a comment but opposite to the majority's opinion; and you do it in a "cold" and falsely rational manner in order to win some respect points. This is how you convince yourself that everything is ok with your life.

This is more complex type of whining, but still just whining.

And this is why Harry comes here and comments your posts:)

I would say the best thing to do is to wait until TCAS has gone. Nothing will change whilst he is in power. I am hearing a lot of mutterings about things changing as he walks out the door.

Interesting training meeting the other day where MM was asked about commuting for ground trainers. He actually said there is a possibility that this could happen. TCAS jumped up and said no this wasn't going to happen....a tad embarrassing I would say!

That's what was said about TCK the post holder before TCAS. ...that didn't work out as many hoped. ..

Do you? I mean - did you write to them? Or are you like Harry: reading other people's whining on a regular basis, accusing them of being passive, but being passive yourself and gaining a sense of self-importance by criticizing others? I don't think you are like Harry, he is one of his kind.

Plenty of us write in from time to time. We just don't brag about it trying to impress people. I'm with Harry here... You have no idea if he's passive or not!

You've only grown a 'pair' (so to speak) since you were fired for - by your own admission - being a very difficult person to work with!

Trust me. Some of us have won a few battles here over the years...

No, I don't trust you. And I don't believe you. I have a pretty good idea on your passiveness because if you actually did something all together, something would happen for better instead of only being worse.

I wasn't fired for being difficult to work with. Don't lie and don't manipulate information. I worked honestly and with responsibility. I was fired for asking my DVP if I can have bigger salary and better working conditions. Oh, and they said I can't ask her how much is her salary. I thought that I have the right to ask. She didn't like it.

As a result, she was moved from Airport Services (nobody liked her and couldn't work with her, SHE was the one hard to work with) and working conditions in ground services somewhat improved. Of course, somebody had to take it for the whole team. And this is your biggest problem, guys - nobody wants to take one for the team (and I don't blame you, it's a hard decision). Harry and White Knight keep pushing you to take the punch, so that they can stay in EK and enjoy the fruits of that person's fight (in this case - to write a letter to the management). Harry and White just don't know that nobody can't be pushed to do it and that it's not enough to wait for somebody to do it.

I'm still struggling to see where Harry has put a foot wrong. I think someone needs to move on. If it wasn't mean't to be, so be it! Move on :}

A friend of mine recently wrote a long and constructive letter to the top man himself Sir TC, what did he get in return? A reply for TCAS saying "we'll look into it".

Yeah right:ugh:

Do all of you think that there have been no emails written or ASR's written about both fatigue, layover lengths and horrible rostering? OF course there has!! By even your own admissions here…. but I'll ask again: What has been the result??? NOTHING!! So the feeling of both "Why Bother" and "If I do, I'm liable to get a call to come in for a chat because they didn't like my tone" absolutely permeates at the culture and toxic environment of EK.

If so many of you have written these items, why haven't things changed for the better as that's why you've written the reports?? Rhetorical question but the point is that for the most part (not all parts) but for the most part, they do nothing.

If there was not a fear culture of EK which I think most of you would agree with to a certain degree, maybe the guys wouldn't hesitant to write a lot more emails and ASR's. To do so "could" delay/defer that upgrade!!

K

At least he got no warning letter because of "not respecting the line of reporting"

Er.....children are no longer seated from row 80-88 around the CRC and the new 380's have the bunks in a completely different place.

Some things do happen even if it takes 5 years..!

So keep writing..........

That's great news Craggenmore! I hadn't heard that not being on the 380. Perhaps there is some little bit of hope.

I'd also be wary of an email from TC. I'm pretty sure that email more than likely came from the secretary to the his executive secretary and that STC never saw nor has any idea about the email's concern. Just a thought….

K

To be fair Craggy, I'd be more inclined to believe that the continued rate of attrition is the real reason behind this. I do know that it has been mentioned on numerous occasions during exit interviews and during washups. I think it plays to the reality that in terms of the expat job market, EK isn't offering a package that is attractive right now.

Not attractive for a certain expat group....

As for the constructive letter to Sir TC, my understanding is that the pilot that had written the letter had already resigned , so what was TCAS going to do, fire him, too late.

LV

That may well be true but I know categorically that at least two others have also written in, one on the B777 with around 11 years seniority and the other 380, both Captains. Each received an email from AS stating he had been forwarded their concerns from TC and these would be followed up.

Whether of course that will actually happen is debatable but there are quite a few pilots (and cabin crew) taking up the offer to provide feedback to the highest level. Why would TD (DSVP Service Delivery) take the time to offer monthly feedback seminars for cabin crew. I can assure you that whilst respectable, the content and passion during these open forums leaves little to the imagination and are quite vocal and factual. If you speak with the crew nowadays, you'll see that there has been an improvement within the last 4-6 months, particularly amongst pursers since their T&C's have been improved. This was a direct result of feedback from meetings such as this. This also includes the removal of flight reviews, again a direct result of feedback from these meetings. If you think I'm making this up, just ask them on you next flight. Their response might surprise you!

It appears that many of our 'timid Asian cabin crew' may have more balls to stand up and voice their concerns than some of our complaining pilots.....or pilot (singular) according to your source! Only 1 out of 3860.....really......?

Harry

Firstly, I don't ever remember stating all ULR's will be 48 hours so I'm not sure where you got that quote from. Secondly, I'm not attacking anybody, merely posting my opinion and what facts I know.

However, I will take you to task on those numbers you quote. 3500 left out of the 4000 hired is complete rubbish. Very few people know how many are leaving so rumours are rife amongst crew, both cabin and cockpit. Furthermore, whilst I accept that a large number are leaving, hence the meetings, your figures actually infer that only 500 crew from the recent 4000 new joiners recruited last year are still here. Well, maybe 1000 crew throughout the Company and ranks may have left during the time frame that 2000 crew have joined but those figures are 'staggeringly' different to your figures and I know which are the more accurate. As for the pursers' package, that schooling allowance made a considerable difference to their take home pay. They may have even got a pay rise this year but I don't honestly remember. Where was the pilot's this year? 3% increment?

The only truthful part of your post is the return of the flight reviews but these will be re introduced and incorporated somewhat differently to previous from what I've heard.

Scandal....abuse....barbaric.... 9 turnaround flights in a row.....5 hour waits in the clinic......intimidation....

If you say so. :hmm:

Harry

Back to the thread, is EGT really becoming a TRE?

Oh god .... please no!

That would be like a Pug trying to teach a pack of wolves the hunt.:ugh: