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The dramatic A380 landing
Can I assume that this dramatic(also labelled as scary) landing on CNN was pretty much as it is supposed to be done.
Pilot makes scary sideways landing - CNN Video |
Acceptable
A "trainable" moment .... to use a new catchphrase?
CK |
Yes it was. Totally normal crosswind landing made dramatic by long lense.
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Q for A380 drivers- where is the localizer antenna? On the 777, if you slavishly track the LOC while crabbing in a crosswind, you actually end up slightly on the downwind side of the runway, as the antenna is near the nose.
Same on the Whale? |
I can't take it anymore.
I have been flying for 40 years, and have flown more different types of airplanes than I can remember, but what I do remember is that I have never, and I mean never, known where the localizer antenna was on any of them or any other antenna, because all I did was look out the window and land, that's just the why it is done. And if the day comes that I know where the localizer antenna is, and talk about it like the dip**** asking this question, take me out back of a hanger and shoot me. |
North Flyer, I want to buy you a beer!
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Hahaha.
Don't have 40 years yet, do know where one of the antennas is but.... I do know to also look out the window and put myself upwind of the centreline (purely as a technique...) (Not intended as a critique of this op btw) |
So- I notice that having the LOC centered put's you a little down-wind, and thus it's a good idea to include this fact when making sure I'm on the C/L and I'm a dip****?
I know where the loc antenna is because I've watched endless students in the sim de-crab only to find themselves downwind. Digging a little deeper I found it was because they where using the LOC to line themselves up, as they often didn't know how much the length of the aircraft displaces their picture from the centerline. Terribly sorry to offend your sensibilities, north flyer, by trying to help my students. |
We didn't have enough with the FDM's, Safety Departments and ASR's ... Now we have PPrune!
We are our worst enemies... :ugh: |
It was just a question!
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The localizer symbol is magenta ......
By the way: Where has the de-crabbing technique gone? |
I know where the loc antenna is because I've watched endless students in the sim de-crab only to find themselves downwind. Digging a little deeper I found it was because they where using the LOC to line themselves up, as they often didn't know how much the length of the aircraft displaces their picture from the centerline. Unfortunately Wiz, a good proportion of your colleagues utilise little in the way of finesse when teaching students because they themselves are woefully inadequate or inexperienced when it comes to operating in marginal or limiting conditions. It's sadly a reflection of the lowest common denominator, and hence your perfectly reasonable and sensible technique is lost in the jumble of poorly thought through SOP adherence, miss handled aileron inputs and worst of all an inability to use the rudder properly. 5 hrs of bumps and circuits in 10kts of xwind in a chipmunk would instill some reasonable piloting. The other issue relates to a huge over reliance on automation, how often do you see people get out of shape on the line thanks to disconnecting at 500' and being blissfully unaware of the forward slip that is applied? In any case, I'm a huge advocate of flaring slightly upwind which maintains the centreline and allows for a margin of error when coping with gusty conditions i.e. AMS, DUB, BHX, GLA etc etc |
Drifting downwind, downwind gear touched down first, and in a crab with no cross control.
Scary? No. Acceptable? Yes. High marks? No. |
That was one of my better landings. :E
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Originally Posted by north flyer
(Post 9131993)
I can't take it anymore.
I have been flying for 40 years, and have flown more different types of airplanes than I can remember, but what I do remember is that I have never, and I mean never, known where the localizer antenna was on any of them or any other antenna, because all I did was look out the window and land, that's just the why it is done. Back to your Cessna now. |
wizofoz ' s question was perfectly reasonable and is certainly not the dip**** here.
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Agreed
@MonarchMan
Likewise a few splash & go's in a seaplane would emphasize decrabbing prior to touchdown. Otherwise its just the one splash, LOL! Not sure about other large types but the Boeing 777 FCTM does allow crabbed landings except when nearing the 'demonstrated' crosswind limits, (as seen on YouTube). CK |
Food for thought that we now have Captains on the A380 who have never landed a plane in more than 20kts crosswind.
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North flyer - you pride yourself on ignorance. Seriously? :ugh: Although there is a lot to be said for using visual cues (when available) to fly the plane, the question initially posed is valid and shows some forward thinking.
Wizofoz, the A380 LOC antenna is in the radome. For the benefit of those who prefer to get their info from Pprune rather than from a reliable and approved source - Flight Crew Training Manual FINAL APPROACH In crosswind conditions, the flight crew should fly a "crabbed" final approach wings level, with the aircraft (cockpit) positioned on the extended runway centerline until the flare. FLARE /// The recommended de-crab technique is to use the following: • The rudder to align the aircraft with the runway heading during the flare • The roll control, if needed, to maintain the aircraft on the runway centerline. The flight crew should counteract any tendency to drift downwind by an appropriate lateral(roll) input on the sidestick. In the case of strong crosswind during the de-crab phase, the PF should be prepared to add small bank angle into the wind to maintain the aircraft on the runway centerline. The flight crew can land the aircraft with a partial de-crab (i.e. a residual crab angle up to about 5°) to prevent an excessive bank. This technique prevents wing tip or engine nacelle strike caused by an excessive bank angle. As a consequence, this can result in touching down with some bank angle into the wind, therefore, with the upwind landing gear first. Nicely shot video though. |
Yup ur right same in the A330/340 and 777 ....except in the sim :E
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