The Mater OFP is not intended to be a work of art.

It's a document for YOU to use on YOUR flight to get safely from A to B. Sure it has to be kept correctly and appropriately completed, but who cares what is written/highlighted/drawn on it.

We're not at school anymore and getting gold stars for neatness. It's about getting the job DONE.

:cool:

Mr. Cat, do you know what happens to the master copy after it is turned in?

It gets kept for a defined period as per regulations before being recycled and turned into warning letters as per the environmental policy? ;)

That's ridiculous Mr Cat...surely you must know on any given day, far more warning letters are issued than OFPs. That policy would never work.

EK actually owns its own paper mill just for warning letter paper. Once issued, they are then recycled into OFPs, with the substantial balance of paper going to build housing for underprivileged children in Bangladesh through the company charities.

So embrace the worthy and ubiquitous EK warning letter. Much good comes of it.

Slavery life for voluntary slaves.

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Massive thread drift....

Start another thread gents.... you are killing this one!

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some relaxing of the Rules????????

Can be rostered more than 5 days off in a row?????


Is AAR losing his grip????

Time will tell.

J

I doubt it Jayto, more likely due to the haemorrhaging of pilots at the moment someone has had the stones to point out that this doesn't actually cost anything, and is merely a mean spirited policy implemented by an earth bound desk jockey.

Whatever the reason, he can't be happy to see his rules being changed.

J.

On the contrary. I suspect this is play 1-01 from the management book of dirty tricks.

First, Decide what bad news you want the troops to swallow.

Second, Present rumours that proposed changes are even worse than those that management actually have in mind.

Third, Just prior to implementation, appear to give a little by falling back to the position management really wanted all along.

Results?

First, management have pulled the wool over most peoples eyes and gotten exactly what they always wanted.

Second, The troops believe (wrongly) that they have scored a minor victory and are, thus, happy.

Don't fall for it.

Or.......


After getting no help in "stress testing" the system the are coming to the conclusion that the new "improved" expensive upgrade can't produce a roster with all the stupid petty imposed rules.
Don't forget. The previous system could do the job if left alone. It only fell down due to the company imposed rules.
I think they now see that even this expensive upgrade won't do the job either, hence the "relaxing" of some rules "for our benefit"

Just my take on it.

J.

Or......

They have finally realised that recruitment and retention is becoming a problem because of lifestyle and rostering issues. This is a way for them to relax some of the ludicrous and random restrictions without any loss of face. ("We always wanted to give you more days off in a row but the old system wouldn't let us. Now we can. See, we are nice guys really. Please don't leave.")

If recruitment and retention continue to be a problem expect to see even more clever things the new system can do that the old one couldn't.

Seriously, you think that the system can give you a string of more than 5 days off in a row, when flying 95 plus hours, ground duties and standby's dream on. It's a placebo, don't swallow it. Might as well say you can bid for 10 days off in a row, bidding is not getting.

Recently I had a chance to have a frank discussion with a senior member of staff, I said that essentially they could resolve their un-acknowledged retention and recruitment issues for virtually no cost, for all the reasons we all know and love. The response? Silence, and a return to his suite, read into that what you will.

Exactly right.
It's a classic tactic straight from the Ryanair handbook of management. Take something away that the troops should have anyway - then give it back when times are tough to look generous. And it works every time. The best bit is, it's all at zero cost.

Just to put it simply, this new system will never work as it was deigned to.
EK have stripped it of most of the options and left the bare minimum.

Other airlines run our old system who have more pilots the EK with no problem at all. It doesn't work because of all the manual intervention, simple at that.

Why you ask yourself? SPITE!!!! pure and simple, because they can:ugh:

Why should we have what we want? why should we have great rosters that keeps you happy? Why cant you bid 5 days off at the end of one roster month and 5 off at the start of the next? SPITE that's why!!!

As long as the flight are manned who gives a damn. Let people have what they want and stop this immature bullying.

This is supposed to be a global airline. What it is, is a long haul airline with a short haul mentality. So grown up and start treating people properly and that way you might be able to stop chasing a shrinking seniority list.

And yes I'm doing something about it. Plans are being put in place now as I type and I'm away ASAP!!!

I would love to see how they plan on giving me 5 days off in a row when my entire month is eight days off. My guess is 330 guys lose again. Oh, and again, and again........

So after reading the user guide, there is no way to bid for just freighter trips ? you have to bid specific flight numbers?
What an arse ache!

And released just in time for Christmas. Gotta love their timing.

Eh? You're joining in a couple of months and you want to see a roster 'just to have an idea of how bad it can get'..... Speechless:ugh:

@Musing Monk I doubt that anybody of the active EK guys will do this. If you want to know why, ask about the EK social media policy.

If you want to know how worse it could be, have a look at this thread:
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/56...ays-off-4.html

Speechless....a very understated expression.

Monk, do you operate an aircraft with as much reckless regard as you regard your career? Are you really asking to see a 777 roster AFTER you have accepted a job here?

ARE YOU FOCKING INSANE? or do you have a problem with comprehension?


.......I give up....you deserve what awaits!


Why do we even bother....let them find out the hard way.

Dear everyone,

I have decided to hold a gun to my head and pull the trigger. Can anyone post a screen shot of what might happen, to give me an idea of how bad it might get?

I am just....speechless.......

Monk..

You really deserve the sh*te you're getting from everyone.

Did you not do your research on what its like to really to fly at EK before not only interviewing, but getting hired, probably quitting a flying job somewhere else (which you will probably wished you had not left after about 6-9 months)????

Just wow……….. Lol, yet another lamb to the slaughter, and he doesn't even know it!!

K

Flydubai don't pay on time? Really?

But Monk, despite knowing that those are the replies you were going to get, you still posted.... Puzzling.

Perspective... That's just funny...

... and you do understand the conditions are bad. But you still come. Oh, let me guess... Just like all the others who come and then start moaning after a year or so, you think it'll be different for you. Jeez.

Just as an aside....so if you are TOP bid with reserve the month after, you cannot bid for a flight running into the reserve month ( it will not even show such trips under the "view available pairings" button )....that sucks!

Seaman...I'm thinking that TCAS is already down at the bar and has run out of f#cks to give.

Kanyou...Was top bid in September, and although l did not use the Jepp, the old CRS had one reserve day plonked right on the 1st of October in the calendar.
So everything l bid that went into October was rejected.
Once rosters were out however, l swapped onto a 10 day trip. Nine days into October! :ugh:

halas

Monk - if anything you now have a perspective of the type of individuals you going to be working with.

Monk,

As you can see there are still some morons on here that believe their advance has managed to keep everyone from joining EK. They are 'speechless' because they have spent most of their time off/days off preaching in the hope that they are heard and believed. You had your reasons why you joined, so my advice is stop trying to convince anyone why it was a good (or bad) decision to join EK and get on with your career. You will find pilots that have left EK ages ago and still post replies here...which leaves me speechless!!

777-200LR

1. People are saying they're speechless because someone is joining an airline without knowing what the roster will look like

2. It's beyond most of us why people who left still post: the Australian with his possibly fictional canine companions and the bitter ground staff girl need to get hobbies.

Alan

I assure you, they are not fictional. I will send you the vet bills if you like. Carry on.

Maybe they wouldn't need frequent visits to the vets if you walked them once in a while rather than spending all day sat on Internet forums

SOPS, going quickly from bitter n twisted to sad n pathetic. Put down the keyboard and get some of that fresh air you keep talking about. You're not convincing anyone that you're enjoying retirement. Let it go!

Al super Al, Al super Al, Al super Al, super Alan Pardew

SOPS is without doubt giving the impression he's missing the gig, or more possibly he's got too much time off.

It will only get better for guys left behind if more people join at a higher rate than they are leaving. I suspect its currently the other way round.

Up the Palace :\:\

Someone started on the sauce early! :hmm:

Alan Pardew, you are very funny and quite a good football manager...

cheers

Love the pat on the back they just gave themselves in the latest Flt Ops update.

"95% success rate on all requests across all fleets and ranks".

So what they are basically saying is that 95% of 2/5ths of the pilot group got ONE thing that they asked for.

Bravo. I was getting that in my bottom bid month

trent1974

That's a perfect response and puts the 95% into perspective. :ok: