Well, being pessimistic (as is always best and is usually the case) I reckon it means that you cannot increase the number of days you have been assigned at roster release by swapping. So when you ask for your 5 in a row and they give you 2 off, BAH, 2 off you can't swap without playing around so much you give up.

Now stop trying to get days off in order to leave Dubai to spend their money somewhere else*!

*Disney dollars are non transferable and cannot be used outside the park.

You mean like "At Crew Arrivals from 04 - 08 June during office hours."

It states clearly on the new CRS User guide: pg 12 (V7.1)

"You cannot create additional days off by swapping"

But this is the same as the current eSwap rules. My understanding is no swap rules change. Read that whole paragraph.

Most guys try to move days, get a rest day at either end of the four days off etc.

This has not changed.

Open to correction.

f.

I swap a lot. Pretty much my whole roster every month.
This month I managed extra 3 days off (not rest days) by giving up my nice, easy flights for stuff nobody wants due to personal circumstances.

TI74

So we only have five bids?

Use one of those 5 to bid for another 5 bids.....

Here is what the system is capable of:


Jeppesen Crew Rostering


The company chose the most restrictive version of it.


Allow more than 5 bids and the system becomes useful to the pilot group.

Why bother doing it this month to give them the pleasure of seeing how much they can screw us in the system when it goes live. Just do the normal bid and be done with it.

J

Another nail in the coffin of moral.

'The most restrictive version', why am I not surprised...

Next time I see TCAS or one of his minions I'm going to ask why they feel it's necessary to drive out what little pride, enthusiasm and enjoyment there is left in this company. Not just the pilots, but everybody who works for this shambles...

I'll give this new system a chance, but I'm struggling to see past the fact we only have five bids! 7 in the top two groups.

Ok one improvement, if you bid correctly and you're senior enough you'll definitely get one or two of your first choices. But what about the rest of the roster!? You'll have to make very generic bids to stand a chance of getting anything else you want. And if you don't the system can give you any old rubbish.

I generally use hundreds of lines in the current bid system. For me this is a big downgrade.

I'll be delighted to be proved wrong.

Hidden in the small print is the fact that only one bid will be awarded of the five you are allowed. So if I bid for a JFK and five days off before leave as priorities 1 and 2 the system will only award one of those, then ignore all the other choices.:yuk:

So, effectively you will only get one thing that you have asked for each month. At most.

I'm sure there are low cost carriers that have better bidding systems than this.

I have a feeling they did not spend all that money to make it better for the pilots.

BigGeordie

I might have missed it, but that doesn't seem to be quite correct - in your top two bid months, only one of your REQUESTS will be granted, at all other times the system will attempt to award you all five of your PREFERENCES...

Of course, it doesn't matter because it won't work.

Can anybody tell me: if my 'Lowest' priority preference is the same as the 'Highest' priority bid of the guy one seniority place below me, will I get it being senior or will he get it because he requested it at a higher priority?

One of a thousand questions...

I noticed a trend the last 17 years and I have never seen anything getting better, so why should the bid system get better? when I joined we had a great system, but that was 98

Guys, it will most definitely NOT be an improvement. 110 hours here we go....

As per EK email. You can not create a new day off. Previous rest day, for example, becomes an AD day.

Wonderful!!:=:=

170to5,


I have asked many questions and have read about it thoroughly. The way it works as I understand it is, the solver takes each person individually. It simply goes to the first person in seniority and tries to assign anything it can for all of his/her bids (ie. highest to lowest). Once it is done it moves on to the next person in seniority.


Again, I THINK!

 Up to five Requests can be submitted - in priority order, 1 to 5.
 One Request can be awarded.

Lifted from the "explanation" PDF file. So, yes, more than one preference can be awarded but only one request.

So in your top two bid groups expect to get at most one thing you asked for. The rest of the time, no chance.

From the PREFERENCES it does NOT use seniority. It will resolve rosters to fit the required flying into skeds.

My guess- to allow certain people/groups better bidding. But then I'm a pessimist when it comes to EK.

Only one request guys, is black and white. Regarding the preferences, it says that the seniority within the group is not taken in count. Not really sure what that means...