EK : south west airline pilots join fight against ME 3
 

http://m.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2015/04/23/southwest-airlines-pilots-union-joins-fight.html?r=full

Why do all American Airlines moan about the"unfair" subsidies that others may or may not receive? They would all be non exist memories if they weren't allowed to declare bankruptcy protection, wipe their debts and start afresh... How nice that would be in the rest of the commercial world

Because we can just say no you don't fly here anymore

You can cancel our agreement and we don't fly there and you don't fly here

Or like Canada does, we have 2 flights you get 2 flights

And don't buy Boeing go buy Airbus ...


Also don't ask us to babysit you and protect you from ISIS and alike with our tax money

You are on your own!

Haha you need the worlds routes more than they need US routes, and if foreign airlines stopped buying Boeing their doors would be shut in months.

And ISIS?? You really don't want to go there... American foreign policy is why their there to begin with.

Totally agree that...

The ISIS situation is a result of western foreign policy gone mad. The U.S, along with its puppets went in to try to control the oil in those countries. The hornets nest was stirred up and when they got stung they just ran away and left the chaos that it still is today 2 decades on. :ugh:

Boeing has been given a massive reprieve and saved as much my the ME carriers as by its own government.

All this whining from the US is like a super spoilt child who has an uncontrolled screaming fit until it gets its own way. When the U.S. carriers stop running flights with 77 yr old crew ( I spoke to them in a passport queue last week), stop paying over industry standard wages (controlled by unionisation) and run a service and route structure that is competitive, then expect the paying public to chose the "better" and/or cheaper airline.

Passengers have their choice, make a better service and a more competitive price and the U.S. will get its share of the cash flow.

Please, STOP this whining as Uncle Sam definitely does help to keep the U.S. airlines in the air. In the ME, especially in Dubai, the airline is the one who pays the government (the other way to your system), it is more than competitive, so enough whining.

I have to add the disclaimer that I am not American but sadly I am holding a passport of a country I love but for the politicians who run it. By the way, even BA was saved by the government, but in true British spirit, the whining and fits or tantrum screams are much less vocal than the Americans.

J

Paokara

Dragging Isis into this and suggesting that USA bills its wars to the taxpayers is the funniest thing I have heard in a very long while

The end is near the honeymoon is almost over

Enjoy your Europe Asia and Australian flying

Btw you don't have to file the FSAps for over 16 hrs flying and extending duty or illegal schedules to the U.S.

Fly your CI400 .. It is an order now


And ISIS who ever started is your threat , ask the Yemenis and Sarabians...they are changing diapers daily there... UAE does concern too

Get out while you can UK Europe wherever you are from , get out before us too late

Dude, you need to learn how to write better English, very little of what you say makes any sense.

paokara- The latest notam doesn't apply to ULR flights so I guess they can't be too concerned about 16hr timings can they?

You tried to get into EK didn't you paokara? That little fact makes your rants very pathetic.

Jack Shidt,

The US Airlines are not "whining." They are making allegations that EK is not abiding by the agreement to which they are a party. They have 1,000 pages of documentation supporting their allegations. Whether or not these allegations are true will be determined by a third party. Whining is what occurs on the pprune ME forum on a daily basis. EK has gotten used to bullying employees and regulators to get their way. If you don't like it quit, if you don't give us what we want we will cancel 200+ orders, etc, etc. Dubai gets what Dubai wants. Finally someone calls them out on it and we all act like some great injustice has occurred.

If the US Airlines were paying too much or operating a poor business model it would be reflected in the results. American Airlines just reported a profit of 3.4 billion Dirhams for the first three months of 2015. Delta pays appx 50% more for drastically less flying and still paid out 100,000+AED profit share to each pilot. They are both on track to make about 12 billion AED profit for the full year 2015.

Old employees, ugly employees, fair rostering practices are a product of an environment that affords workers the right to organise and demand fair treatment. Hardly something we should all be mocking. It's funny that we bitch about contracts not being honoured, zero credit for sims or leave days, FTL's constantly tweaked to the employers advantage, a regulator that looks the other way, and a punitive work culture yet any company that provides these rights is somehow "out of touch." Rant over

Laker

I'm with you on that one.

Great post Laker!
I was thinking the same thing.
As an aside shouldn't the worlds pilots be emulating the US pilots instead of the other way around? I would kill to have 1/2 their work rules and 3/4 of their pay.
Everyone loves to jump on the US but part of it has to be out of jealously.

Laker - incredible post

its high time someone turns the beam on the practices here

Great post Laker.

Paokara,

I am not against US at all but after all the BULL**** you've written........Dude, you must be joking!!!! Wrong way to support your point of view.

It's even pointless trying to expain why you are wrong.

50% more pay? Sorry LAKER, going to call you on that one. No doubt those guys who are more senior will be doing nice routes and less hours....but not for 50% more pay. 12 year EK Captain clears $19,000+ each month with accommodation allowance. That would put a 12 year Delta guy CLEARING $28,000 every month! I don't think so.

Other than that, nice post. I can see both sides to this so interesting to see how it's going to pan out.

As for the Delta profit share, it might not only be them getting that figure this year.. You may be closer to the truth than you realise. ;)

Harry

EK guy wins with the money..Delta guy wins big time with the lifestyle..

And what's the tax on the delta guys pay? The EK was take home pay.. No tax apples for apples and all that

I didn't include the education allowance of another $16,500 per year or the 15% that EK also puts into the retirement fund, around $22500p/a. That's another $3000 + per month net, every month. Then there's the saving on not having to have a second car and curries are cheaper here and............

I don't want to turn this into a pissing competition over pay. The fact remains, as Ironbutt57 has already stated, conditions and lifestyle are perhaps more important. Given the choice, I'd pick a Delta position with a nice big villa in Florida. I just wanted to highlight to LAKER that his figures were slightly off.....by around 50% :p

Harry