Yes Mutt but for that you have to work/live in KSA. Thanks but no thanks.

Trader

Please, rumours is one thing, stirring the pot with complete bull is another. Regardless of our current apathy with the Airline and the rather lacklustre response to 9 weeks, perhaps credit where credit's due. Salary scales have always remained constant.

The profit share may not be the panacea to our grievances within this Company but a 'Ryanair' we are not. If HR do start changing the scales, I start changing my report time to 60 minutes. :cool:

Harry

No change of salary scales


I would love to engage in another bash but this one is BS

Scaling is for real! New FOs have a higher basic than those being here for 2 years and if i believe right, apparently DECs in 2004 started on the fourth year salary .....
I wouldn't be surprised by a A and B scale in the very near future.

The 'rumor' came from someone in training. Yes, it could be untrue. What was said is that in an attempt to get 330 DECs they offered new DECs a big jump in where they started on the CURRENT scale!

The rumor is that new FOs are being offered s start at the 3rd year.

I know for a FACT that there are various analyst teams within EK working on trying to make the job more marketable to new hires. They are looking at area like staff travel etc because they are having a very difficult time recruiting.

You wonder if it's really a puzzle to recruiters that they can't find enough pilot wanting to come to EK.

I recall my days attending an EK Road Show and it was standing room only!! Wow, have times changed…. for the worse.


Kap

I know for a FACT that there are various analyst teams within EK working on trying to make the job more marketable to new hires. They are looking at area like staff travel etc because they are having a very difficult time recruiting.

You might want to refrase....

Our (s)crewing team is trying to spin the evident truth into a positiv fiction to lure inocent people into the dragons den...

And once here you will receive a warm welcome letter (written verbal warning)
to underline EKs good will in changing for the better.

what good is staff travel if you are constantly at or near min days off per month, rarely get more than 30 days of leave per year, and must be back in base several days before a ULR (generally the only time you get 4+ days off in a row)? Heaven help anyone who misses the flight back to Dubai and has to call in sick from an outstation.

I'm always up for an adventure and considered Emirates as a possible, but how could anyone think it's a good idea to resign for a company with such a bad report as this one!

I the situation changes and things improve I'll apply. Simple.

Haven't heard the DEC pay rumor, but I know the FO "advertisement" is showing salary WITH flt pay to make it look nicer.

Of course Emirates will pay new hires or DECs more if they have to. They did this in the past and are probably doing this again today.
About 10 years ago they were offering DECs anywhere from 8-10 year pay rates to attract pilots. I know this because I was offered these rates but thank God I thought better of it. Things seem to be really bad there and they have to offer something substantial to attract pilots.

Aren't you the guy that failed DEC selection, and been a bit chippy about it ever since..?
They do need to increase the package substantially though, if they are to get out of the hole they are in. Personally I think they would rather watch the ship sink than do do anything that might improve our lot.

As people keep saying, Gulf air version 2.

Yeah, new tomcat is a bit fast and loose with the truth a lot of the time. At one time EK WERE offering DECs 3RD year pay as a starting salary, but that finished in 2006.

When will the Profit Share be paid? Normally in May but nothing was mentioned at the announcement?
Thanks

It actually was, May salary!

New Capt start at level 13 are you saying DECs are at 16?

This little Gem keeps popping up. People are looking at the website and seeing a salary quoted that is higher than a year 1 FO or a year 1 DEC base salary. What they fail to see is the fine print that states the figure is based on 80 or so hours of flying. In reality we are all doing more than 80 hours so the figure quoted is actually less than the new hire can realistically expect to earn in the current situation.

Pilots apart from profit sharing expectations and predictions:-
Has anyone got a recent, average pay scale for captains of International Carriers, namely the EK; QA; ET; SING; CX; DELTA; AA; CS; Kor etc?
I saw article of 37% increase at Korean?