Nothing in the web... yet. But I've heard the same.

EK, Qatar and the one down the road are fighting to hire pilots from the same pool, and that pool is drying fast. The unmentionable is very fast calling people to their assessments, and even faster offering a contract to be signed if you are successful. Their minimum requirements are long gone through the window, and people is looking forward for their commands after being in the company for less than two years. I've been told that even cabin crew are being offered pilot courses... maybe joining there as cabin crew is a faster way to become captain than joining EK at this moment. :}

On the other hand, I don't see it as a bad thing. (lowering minimums to 1500 turboprop, not becoming a Cabin Crew). But I think training department will have to be reinforced and prepared to share the pressure with recruitment. They will have to train people and help them jump from turboprop to wide body without passing through a 320 or 737, for example. That means training. Not just checking. Of course quality levels should remain the same, only experience levels to be reduced.

There are a lot of good pilots and operators without jet experience out there. It's not the same to fly a Caravan for tourist rides, than operating an ATR in US, Canada or Europe.

Will see how it goes.

1500 PIC or as a cabin crew?

1500 cockpit visits as pi$$master ......

Where did all the applications go....?
 

From today's Arabian Aerospace Magazine.

Not sure where they all went, but reckon some more may head over here:

Arabian Aerospace - Turkish Airlines on the hunt for new cockpit crew to join the team

i dont think the pay is good there also heard treatment of expats not so very friendly

Istanbul is quite e nice city and much closer to home ... expats are expats everywhere!

English is hardly spoken by anyone
expensive place to live in lieu of what they pay
expats are not in the numbers that you would see at EK

aileron i do agree with you that expat numbers are not even close to EK but if you are saying that Istanbul is an expensive place, i would say that you haven't seen Europe or Dubai. You can live in a decent house with 1000-1500 euros per month in Istanbul. It is more like 4000 euros in Dubai. Eating outside at a mid level restaurant for 2 people dinner would cost you 50 euros in Istanbul. In Dubai it is at least 80-100 euros and in Europe it is like 60-70.
Salaries for FO in TK is like 5500 euros and that is less then middle east. However there is the sandpit and Istanbul. The choice is there. However i strongly recommend for the married pilots to consider Istanbul over Dubai. Because for 5 months your wife won't be able to go outside and that may cause some problems if you know what i mean :ouch: :cool:
And about the english part. That is right that TK is a little problematic about that. However if you are a captain, most of the time you won't have any problems. Especially if you are on wide body in TK you will have 3-4 flights a month with 10 consecutive days off. Which means approximately 60-70 hours of flight maximum. Which means you have free time unlike EK...
Those are my sincere observations, including opinions of many friends flying for TK.

4000 euros? are you sure ?
and why would the wife not be able to go out?

Because of the heat?
I mean i don't know if your wife likes to walk on the street when it is 38-45 degrees celcius outside but mine doesn't lol
And sorry about 4000 euros. It is more like 3000. My mistake.
Still if you are the one only looking for money EK might be a good choice. But if you want to balance things as flight(fatigue) and moneywise i would strongly recommend TK wide body.
TK 737? That is a whole different story but types of A320 family, A330, A340 and 777 are pretty relaxed with the flight times and the rest times. However the annual leave is very bad in TK. 14-20 days(i don't know the exact number of days).

mmm... comparing THY to EK? Are you sure about that?

are you telling us that if you were offered a job by both, you will chose THY? I mean, if you weren't Turkish.

All i am saying is if you will get paid around the same amount according to the purchasing power of location and fly approx. 60-65 hours a months with at least 10 consecutive days off. It would be a better idea to think about TK 777 instead of EK 777. Including the difference between a desert and a normal overcrowded city. I am not saying that TK is a better company or anything but it is related with what you are seeking.
A place where you can earn good money with relaxed flight times, can go out 24/7 365 days a year, be close to your homecountry, a lot of free time
or
a place you will earn really really good money, you are on a dessert, you will be indoors for 3 months at least a year but have some good annual leave, fly crazy hours with all night flights(not working at EK so just writing what is mentioned 1000 times on this forum) , a little far away from home.
That is all i am saying...

Turkish is comming to dubai the 20 and 21 for a roadshow. I think it is worth to go and see what they offer.

You forget that TK gives 16 salaries :ouch: per the contract

can someone post the venue and timings for Turkish in DXB please?


thanks

Yes, I'd like to hear what Turkish has to say as well….

Dates and locations would be appreciated!


K

So we all gonna meet on the 20. or 21.

Finally some good news.... and the cutoff for the profit share is done as well....

NOTHING TO LOOSE.... heheheh

AAR has said that the experience requirements will not be lowered as we have an ample supply of qualified pilots with medium jet experience.

Perhaps to admit anything else is loosing too much face.

Did AAR also happen to mention that he is violating his own OM-A with regards to the DEC hirings?
All DECs will have wide body experience before being accepted at EK.
Yeah right, you can count on one hand how many of the DEC applicants have wide body command experience.
Also to be eligible for a upgrade an EK pilots needs 2,500 Emirates hours. They are calling FOs with as little as 1600 hours today.
Now the one who makes our conditions so bad is not going to lower the requirements and park airplanes. He can't be that stupid that anyone with 1/2 an ounce of brains and comman sense is going to believe him but a more accurate assessment is those same people with brains and comman sense have tuned him out a long time ago.

LHR Rain

The Part A doesn't state that DEC applicants shall have widebody experience but it is preferred that they have. Interesting to note that 330/340 experience is required for the latest 330 DEC advert but the response seems to have been very poor. No real surprise there I guess.

LHR was never one to let the truth get in the way of a good story.

So you weren't at the pilot meeting a few years back where AAR and other mangement types said all the DECs will have wide body experience because that is what we need.
You didn't mention or comment on the FOs upgrading now with less than the requirements stated in the OM-A.
Is that getting in the way of your story VFE?

Turkish Airlines - Announcement - turkishairlines.com

I'm there. No obligation to attend, but would be very interesting to hear what is said and also to see a couple of hundred pilots show up.

Brilliant move by Turkish or any other carrier looking for T7 Pilots…. as EK has the most.

Wonder how many other carriers will be coming into town this year…. CS, HN, KAL etc. Some probably have already had some shows as I recall

Kap

So clicked on the Turkish link, followed it to 777 captains.. It says:

Has anyone asked the question, or does anyone know if this rules out Australians ?? :E

So... Is Long Reach also coming to dubai? I've looked all over their website and can find no mention of any road show or dubai.... Meaning it
was probably staring at me in the face!


And how does Turkish think the T7 guys at EK are going to get 5 days off required for their assessment process from the rostering?
Kap

VP, Isn't a GCAA license an ICAO?

AFAIK when you leave EK you can't take your UAE licence with you. Company takes it back and cancels it.

my rule of thumb, pilots point of view.
 

- Any company having to advertise once a year is most probably an acceptable/desirable employer. With opportunities and is somewhat employee oriented.

- Any company having to advertise more than once and/or can be viewed on a regular basis advertising vacancies (lets say 6 times a year). Is most probably a non desirable employer, without opportunities for personal improvements. But is a no thrills employer do the job and shut-up kind of stuff (two way traffic).With opportunities but not employee oriented.

-Any company having to advertise on a rolling basis utilizing all available means to attract 'victims' is most probably a non desirable short term employer without opportunities and is a one way traffic into the system and not employee oriented.

Than you have the known odd balls like goats and sheep . Anything is possible here regarding personal improvement and/or opportunities but is NOT employee oriented no matter the catching phrases (they are there to catch you literally) .

BUT What you are looking for is the silent company ,where nobody remembers the last advertisement placed , offering you all the opportunities IS employee oriented and around the corner of your domicile but unreachable for whatever reason in the past and now for known reasons to Captains and older F/O's.

Pilots Hand Guide finding a job.

LOL….

I used to think Korean was the largest airline in the world with the most orders for 744's and 777's with all the pilot hiring they do… nonstop!!

Sadly, not the case.

K

could not find a roadshow for longreach either....

any link?

Email them and ask. They will send the info. A lady named Deb White is arriving today. She will have the location and timings for the info sessions.

Here's the info on the Roadshow from LONGREACH (Received this am 8-4-15)

((When I get info on when and where, I"ll post here…))


"Deb White, from Longreach, is currently in transit to Dubai, to run a roadshow for Middle East guys (Emirates, Fly Dubai, Etihad etc).

Deb will talk them through what options and opportunities they have over here in Asia, both in China (China Southern, Hainan etc) and also other carriers (Fiji Airlines etc). She can discuss everything from what RSPs are available worldwide, for which aircraft types, what commuting contracts are on offer, and where we see things going over the next 18 months - 2 years.

She will be able to explain what is available for A380 guys, A330 guys, and B777 guys, as well as B737 and A320 guys, and also for guys with not much command / heavy time. She will be able to talk about the imminent opening of Auckland, the possibility of LAX opening on the B777, possibility of Perth opening up on the B787, and other opportunities throughout Asia.

For anyone who is interested in what other options are out there, it will be a fantastic opportunity, and one that does not come around very often. It will certainly be worth anyone contacting her and finding out when the presentation will be (actual times TBA).

Her email address is [email protected].

I would certainly appreciate if you could forward the email above to any Middle East guys you know, and ask them to do likewise - we would like to talk with as many pilots over in the Middle East over the next couple of days as possible."

Vfe...

I've had several friends leave EK for greener pastures and I've asked them all. None have had their licenses taken from them. Not sure where you have heard that but I think it's just rumour.

Do you personally know of anyone who has had their licenses taken off them? And I don't mean your 'second cousins maid who works for a guy who's son was told'.... blah, blah, blah.

Please enlighten if you have "first hand knowledge" of it being diff.

Rim-job

Can confirm EK take your licence off you when you leave. If you want to keep it you can, but your final pay has the total cost of initial issue, and every subsequent renewal, deducted. Cnuts.

The total cost being about how much…..?

Might be worth it if not exorbitant.

K

Isn't a GCAA license worthless outside UAE anyway

At least to the Chinese authority that is true. Elsewhere perhaps also?

Don't think any airline cancels the license when one leaves. Never heard.
But remember, once the license expires, there is no way to renew it unless you are associated with an operator in the UAE.