That total is for Cumulative hours, the catchy one is 900 block as a flight crew member, that's why they won't use them. Gone are the "stick time" hours!!!

Still not sure how, as the operating Capt and legal Commander of a flight, your bunk time won't count towards your annual total.
One would be after all legally responsible and liable but "off duty".
Or have I got it completely wrong ..........again!:confused:

Guess it all depends on what you include as "duty". Seen some 92+ hour rosters + recurrent GS (8 hours) + recurrent sim (10 hours). Add the 18 hours training to the 94 hours on one roster I saw and that's 112 hours. Sure seems like over 100 hours of rostered duty to me.

Sims were the 2:15am slots, just to add a little kick in the balls. :}

The loss of credit for training means you can easily work far more than 100. And the loss of credit for leave means leave is really just GDO's now, nothing more.

Just plain theft from the employees, pure and simple.

Leaving only seems wiser all the time. :ok:

Personal experience of last 2 months 106 and 90 plus a sim! The 106 was in 24 days and is legal because at the beginning of the last flight I only had 92. Thank god they are limits and not targets! :zzz:

been made aware that EK is utilising the new rules to the max. Apparently some guys now have 1,200 hours block time in rolling 12 months, especially if you include time in a full flight sim.

Could any of you well traveled colleagues let me know if this interpretation of flight time totals is used anywhere else in the world? Here in Europe long-haul pilots seems to drive 700-800 hours max.

Thanks



7.20 ABSOLUTE LIMITS ON FLYING HOURS
A person shall not act as a member of the flight crew of an aeroplane if, at the beginning of the flight, the aggregate of all previous flight times:
a. Exceeds 100 hours during the period of 28 consecutive days expiring at the end of the day on which the flight begins exceeds 100 hours;
Note:
Onthe28thday,aflightcrewmembermaydepartonasingle sector flight, and they may complete that sector, even though at the end of the flight the total flying hours completed in 28 days will exceed 100 hours. Consequently, they cannot then continue to operate as a flight crew member on any subsequent sectors during that day.
b. Exceeds 900 hours during the period of 12 months expiring at the end of the previous month.
Note:
The accumulated flight time for any consecutive 12 month period must not exceed 900 hours at midnight local time of the last day of the last calendar month of the 12 month period.
Flying hours credited to augmenting crew members for the purposes of calculating the absolute limits on flying hours (for both 100 hours in 28 days and the 900 hours for any consecutive 12 month period) will be based on the actual time in an operating seat, as recorded by the Voyage Report.

125 Factored
 

My buddies schedule is 125 hours this month thanks to factoring. Think about it. That's 50% more than is legal in the rest of the world if it was done month over month. This is what people are trying to explain to all the EK wanna B's. You are sacrificing your health and family.

50% more than is legal in the rest of the world? What is the legal limit in the "rest of the world"?

Schnowzer, thanks. Still don't understand how the OM-A got signed off then. Never mind the airline's supervision by an independent authority as required for an ICAO class 1 country. More calls to the FAA ;-)

Gents

The new regs refer to a limitation on BLOCK HOURS, so if you're augmenting, you get the same block hour as the operating crew, there's no reference to "stick hours".

The duty hours would include ground school etc, the 2000 hours actually includes online learning etc, so this regulation should be more restrictive and thus enable you to catch your breath!!

Kingpost, I am afraid you are mistaken regarding the Flying Hours . See OM-A 7.20 posted above. They bust the limit of 900 by simply not counting all of them when you're augmenting.
That way they avoided the explicit wording that you can now exceed 900 hours and that only stick time counts. But that's the outcome. And 1,200 block hours is not fiction but fact.

"Rest of the world"
 

"Rest of the world", is 900 to 1000 hours a year.


125 X 12 = 1500


50% of 1000 = 500


1000 + 50% = 1500

FTL Limits Busted = Pilots Fatigued, Aircraft Broken and Passengers Dead
 

When will the industry wake up - why is damage control always so reactive, accepting change only after people end up dead??

It's pretty obvious that individual performance decays with the sort of rostering, flying hours and fatigue management practices that go on throughout the industry, and particularly in the Middle East. We will kill more people in this business as a result of the way it is run, particularly here - it's not a question of if, but when.

Fly Dubai may or may not be the latest fatigue-related accident, time and (maybe) the accident report will tell.

The reality is ladies and gents, that the operators and regulators have shown themselves consistently unwilling, unable and uninterested in combatting the issue. That leaves one entity (excusing the media's valiant attempts) - ourselves. For goodness sake, and for the sake of your passengers and crew, know when to say STOP. Whether it is on a monthly, annual or daily basis, we have to realise that the final protection in the system is us in the flight deck.

It's not right, it's not fair, it's morally and ethically abhorrent, but ultimately we are all gifted the opportunity to save lives in this business...... Sounds dramatic, but we sure have the ability to lose lives by getting it wrong. May God, or whoever your chosen overseer is, give us all the sense (and whatever remaining mental faculties we may have left) to use that gift wisely when the time comes.

in freedom

The regulation makes mention to BLOCK HOURS, not flying hours, which are 900 per year. The regulation is also overriding as to what is mentioned in the OM-A, basically you can run but not hide!!!