EK-777 F/O's in January
 

Guys, have we suddenly lost an enormous number of F/Os from the 777 fleet meaning we are all working our nuts off in January. I'm trying to swap a trip for basically anything else - an African destination not too far away. I have at the last count tried 27 swap requests and thus far I have had 27 requests rejected due to the other crew member "exceeding productivity".
Never seen this before, could it be a glitch in the system or are we genuinely all working to the max next month? :confused:

Ta!

It may be the new requirement to have augmenting pilots (FO s) on many of our flight........there was an fci or N on it a few months ago.

When I first read I my first thought was that everyone in the right seat will be flying their nuts off....

The latest rumour is the overtime threshold is going up to 98hrs per month, flat rate regardless of how many days in the month.

85 hours plus SIM...

Welcome to the 777 Captain's world. We have been flying at max hours for years.

Anyone near the bottom of the list care to share how many slot you have moved up on the list over the last 6 months?

I can actually answer my own question.
The guy that was on the bottom of the list in OCT 13 has moved up 112 slots on the list in 14 months.
112 of of 3700 is hardly an exodus of epic proportions. What happened to the American floodgates opening?...

55 pilots have left since July 6.
So many more pilots are looking to leave with the conditions deteriorating rapidly at Emirates.

The only gates opening are the mouths of EK pilots.

You guys are saying the same year after year after year after year.

Sorry Mana - but my stats show over 150 having left. At the moment the CC are leaving at a rate of 2 for every 1 they hire and those CC figures have made some waves.

Pilots just take longer to organize their exit plan and China Southern alone has a long list of EK applicants and is processing them at a rate of 2-4 every week.

But who knows in the end how many will actually leave. Moral has NEVER been this bad.

CC sickness is through the roof as well because most just no longer care and have decided they will not stay long enough so co. threats of no upgrades fall on deaf ears. I have seen flights with 3 pursers called in to act as GR1's because of sickness.

Whether any of this has any effect on management - again, who knows. But ask ANYONE in DXB who regularly flies business/first and they will tell you how bad EK service has become.

People may not leave - but they also do not care. And that is worse than having them leave!

Just like you spout the same cr*p, year after year after year Mana.

Trader, you are correct.

Mana. The boys are right on the money. Hope you had a good Xmas

EVERY septic I've flown with in the last 12 months have been working actively, planning too, or are in the process of departing. The last guy I shared a FD with was 2 weeks away from heading home after 3 years and 1 day here (bond anyone?) He was back off to Delta as a junior 88 F/O.
Another guy passed the upgrade interview AND then said bye bye.

AA has over 200 Emirates pilots with applications on file. I know I said it before but not all will get hired or even go but it shows the depths of despair here in the Middle East.
I wonder what will come first. A pay raise or an exodus?

Payscale,
I don't think its as simple as checking out how many places the last person on the seniority list has moved up. I used to think the same but I checked the seniority list this morning and I've moved up 7 places in the last 9 days (I'm about 3/4 down the list). The guy I used as a comparison who was bottom of the list 9 days ago has only gone up 1 place when you would think that they would have gone up at least 7 places as well. So I guess the UAE cadets, who have been here years while doing their training in Jerez get inserted somewhere in the middle of the list once they start their type rating. Maybe the same is true of ex FlyDubai cadets as well when they come back to Emirates.

Neither, I'm afraid GL69.

A payrise will not solve anything in this company anymore...

People are sick of beeing treated and talked to in a tone that one would not even use to lecture his dog.

Threat emails, roster unsatisfaction is through the roof, max 4 off days to endure more days in paradise ... just o name a few...

It was all predicted be4 but nobody ever listened...

The tsunamy has formed in the ocean... Landfall will be 2015...

I am going to suggest that local EK pilots are being sent to military service. This maybe, in part, the reason for the increase in FO flying hours.

Thanks 777, it's been great so far. Getting through Xmas day was just the start, still a few non halal events coming up. I'm off most of December. :ok:

I'll let you know when EK recruitment is getting worried. That will be the time when they send me an email to see if I'm available.
You know, when they start to scrape to bottom of the barrel :)

I've been here (ME forum) for more than 10 years, and the same guys are saying the same things now as they did 10 years ago.
Maybe 2015 will prove me wrong.
Good luck to all of you, and Gong Xi Fa Cai!

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