Got it clean eldee5

Thanks for the reply,

Cap

Pilotday, you're quoting one of my reports from initial training. Haha. The TRI slapped a 2 in communication at me due to non-ICAO standard phraseology. He said, and I quote, "you're not in America anymore".
But yeah, your post is dead on. In light of spring loading one's career, working at Emirates for an American is a great strategy. But not for the faint of heart. For some odd reason, some people can be tough on yanks, and that's okay. Just suck it up and roll with the punches.

Most Yank haters are insanely jealous of the type of contracts the US posses and the hourly wage to go along with the contract. You will be hard pressed to find any of these haters able to admit their jealousy.
On a recent URL to the states I had to listen to;
fully established on the ILS
fully ready for push and start
re-reading the PDC to clearance delivery
Notifying tower that "The Emirates" was ready for takeoff
Emirates two one six all through the states.
Cleared direct Charlie Zulu India instead of Crazy Women.
As you can imagine we are a big hit in the US when we do this kind of crap.
So I ask these posters should we knock you haters down to a 2 since your communications is sub standard especially for the US? After all when in Rome...
It is real simple, if you don't like the way the US does things THAN DONT BID TO FLY TO THE USA! You went down to the US Consulate on two of your precious off days for the privilege to fly to the states, then bid to fly to the states and you obviously want to go because you didn't call in sick for those trips. Deal with it!

Amen, brah. What's more amusing is having recently looked at the LIDO charts for O'Hare and seeing the following under CREW THREAT section:
ATC
"Controllers often speak rapidly and use non-standard phraseology."

Non-standard phraseology? Really??? :rolleyes:

Cerbus,

Why not be a team player and mention a few of the common mistakes to your fellow crew? I think there's a way of doing it without coming across as a jerk. We are all batting for the same team. Lets help each other out.

Laker.....God's gifts to aviation won't take criticism or advice well let alone have a native "yank" tell them the proper way of operating in the largest aviation arena in the world. It will just cause CRM issues later.

Point noted Laker but when I told the other pilot not to contact clearance delivery and ask to have the PDC repeated he did it anyway. When he finished I asked in a rhetorical way did you notice the frustration in the controllers voice? His response was well we do it that way in Aus. Then in a even keel way I asked "have you noticed any other airlines asking for their clearance to be repeated." It went right over their heads. Again when in Rome but they don't want to learn.
Once we were in Dubai I did mention that perhaps they shouldn't bid for US trips if it is too much of a problem for them to adapt but they said something like it is their right to fly there. Just what Emirates needs.

I would far rather sit beside an American than many other nationalities. They are normally willing to engage in talking rubbish on the flight deck and are quite sociable when down route. More importantly, the ones I have encountered are generally sound practical operators who manage to do a pretty good job in balancing the big picture, versus the ever growing EK minutiae.

If the excrement hit the fan whilst en route with a serious problem, overflying US airspace (also Canada) would probably rank in my top five locations of where I would want to be if I had a big issue.

Sorry for the thread creep but I sometimes feel our American colleagues get a unfair bashing. As with anything in life, it only takes a rogue few to tarnish the image for many.

PD, a quick look at your posts shows that among the groups and nationalities you've slagged off and denigrated are Brits, canucks, locals, ozzies, koreans, lebos, and gay people. Your mother must be so proud! But someone makes a slight reference to yanks and you guys go off your tit. That is what I believe is called you can dish it out but you can't take it. Sorry PD but this make you a bigot and what's more a hypocrite. You and a very small number of similar-minded that vent your prejudices about others here but become mortally offended when some home truths about your own culture are pointed out. It's always the same lot of you.

To paraphrase one of your own posts, "Getting yanks in a tizzy is so easy and fun." Such a puerile individual in an EK cockpit is a scary thought.

Some serious issues in your head about the trainers too. One suspects you were chipped for failing to deliver (on numerous occasions??) and you took it personally.

Okay, I've made my point, PD, although a fair chance you won't understand it as I suspect from the shallow nature of your posts that you may not be the brightest bulb.
But you won't see me winding you up again (about yanks) but now you can watch your own mouth and the rubbish coming from your keyboard (which I very much doubt you have the stones to ever say to people's faces).

Now take your own advice and "chill out , i'm just having fun..we're all on the same team "

Eldee nothing personal against you, just having a little shot at some of the angry yanks out there, who took the bait HL&S. I do 'dig' your post although I disagree with your point on standards. See if you feel the same way after a year or two.

Eldee, thanks for the post…I've also got a few friends who work at the "Big D", and they are quite content. Congrats!:ok:

I've said it before and I'll say it again...JAARULE incapable of making a post without insulting someone.

He went from telling Eldee about "unintelligible ...drivel" to a subtle capitulation without the balls to apologize.

Do us all a favor JAA .

take your bow and exit.

f.

If U know of any US guys without a degree, Atlas Air is hiring....no degree required.

Sorry to hear that EK is going downhill. They seem quite short-sighted, what with the pilot shortage worsening. It is really starting to affect the airlines in the US, and will soon be affecting both the US and global aviation even more. There will be a LOT LESS US pilots without jobs that are available for overseas work in the future.

I applied at EK several times in the past, and there were several times that I wanted to apply but didn't meet the minimums. Since then I have traveled to the ME quite a bit...I found out I prefer AUH to DXB. I am thinking about moving overseas, but probably to Asia....and not to the ME.

cliff
HSV
I was supposed to be in Oslo, yesterday, but instead was in Alabama....USAirways flight was so delayed I missed my positioning flight for the Oslo trip.

Cerbus it's a bit tuff to generalise about one pilots behaviour as being a result of their nationality. The chap you flew with was just plane wrong in some areas and would have been wrong down under too. Oz uses the group number system as well so it would be "two sixteen" there. A PDC clearance is not requested again from ATC in Oz but read back. So he got that wrong also. I flew with a great US guy recently who used "fully ready" for take off and we laughed about what "half ready" might mean....Big deal. It's the individual who makes the errors, nothing to do with their home.

I agree it is the individual who makes the errors and there are a lot of individuals making those errors. The company does little to correct them while we continue to embarrass ourselves.
The word from NY TRACON is they treat Emirates the same as they treat Korean, China Southern and Air China. Not a very good measure to be judge by for sure.

Totally with ya Cerbus, but if we are able to actually use our airmanship and fly visual approaches, ATC might treat us differently...

...who am I kiding? Never going to happen.

CC

Nothing I like more than disconnecting everything at 15.000 and hand flying an approach.. (Unless I'm tired -- pick your battles ). Amazing to me how any company could discourage its pilots from being pilots and maintaining their flying skills. :rolleyes: at least in the us of a my company does allow me to disconnect everything (yes gents, ap at and fd) and actually fly the plane.. Better they encourage it ! Also, next month stinks for me. Only 15 days off with 91 hours pay seen better. But at least I can drop, trade and pick up to where I get 7/10 days off in a row to go play with the family in Europe without it costing me pay or all my vacation days. QOL is the only thing that matters in life.

No Emirates will never treat its pilots with respect and that partly explains why they are having such trouble recruiting pilots and having to lower the requirements and standards to fill classes.
Hopefully that will change but I'm not optimistic.

And it explains why ads for First Officers for EK are popping up everywhere. Something tells me the applications are not pouring in.

Lets be honest, an increasingly large proportion of our colleagues display levels of airmanship commensurate with the stereotypes mentioned. I was in the US last month and as part of the augmenting inbound crew I sat there and was embarrassed as a the PM managed to make a complete horlicks of their taxi clearance by missing hold short and crossing calls, all whilst befuddling the controller with unintelligible and nonsense read-backs.
Having said that, the PM was the operating Captain, what chance has the F/O if the commander can't even do the basics properly?
I don't blame the NY TRACON one bit.

Really? EK pilots are as bad as the Chinese?