ORD 27 hr layover
 

20min longer block than SEA, same time zone as IAH & DFW.

Such generosity in giving a fourth pilot.

f.

I would like to know how they work that out!

ULR Rest
 

Have a look at GCAA Publication CAAP14 ULR, section 7(c). Its on their website, and seems to require a minimum 48 hr layover, so not sure how 27 hr works. Maybe I'm missing something, open to correction.

7B

That's barely enough time to knock out a United Airlines Interview

Don't know about the GCAA, but the FAA have a 40-48 hour rule for US operators of ULRs (16hrs). The problem is that you're allowed to 'buy' your way out of the procedure by paying a financial penalty to roster only 24 hour layovers between ULRs.

At present only Delta Airlines is complying with the 48-hour rule, unless things have changed the last couple of years...

Is it under or over 16 hrs? That May shed some light on which rules to apply.

In reality 22hrs in place of rest with 33ish in the tube...allowing only one long proper sleep in a 55hr period.

$afety starting to sound like lip $ervice around here.

f.

A few people should accidentally drop this info onto a FSDO

Reduced Rest
 

They are really getting cheeky with there Rostering to save money and manpower . Its getting to be a joke .

Not to dampen your enthusiasm Fire Balls, but our Company Chairman is not the DG of the GCAA...

http://www.gcaa.gov.ae/en/Pages/BoardOfDirectors.aspx

http://www.emirates.com/sg/english/a...en_letter.aspx .

Careful FireB , some here are very particular and sensitive demanding 100 % accuracy and seem to miss the point .

IF you feel its a flight safety issue, file a report for deck sake! :ugh:

Is it legal or not? If not notify the FAA . If it is then put it to rest. In other words sh!t or get off the pot. It does not matter what you as pilots think is the right way to operate a ULR. Is it legal or not period .

.... or fly the pairing and if it actually feels like being unsafe -> have the balls to call fatigued and don't fly back!

I guess i'll be well into retirement to see that happening.

Surely this makes no difference, crews will remain on local time of departure for such a short slip.

Following extract is from GCAA CAAP14 - ULR, section 7 -


(c) ULR Flight Rest Period Away from Base

In the ULR Rostered Duty Assignment, the scheduled period free of flying duties away from base shall be at least 48 hours.

Seems pretty clear to me.....

7B

BA had this problem years ago. Although LAX and SFO was classed as a West Coast operation SEA wasn't even though all three are UTC - 8. Is this a debate block time v time change? Management will always say block times count for financial reasons.

And please get it fixed before the 380 has to take it :)

The don

ok ok Don, we all know you drive the 380...

After a month of reports this trip will go 48 hours, did anyone really expect it to launch with any more than 24 hours?

Don't forget the 2+ hours bus ride to the hotel during winter ops :ugh::ugh: