Emirates cancels the A350
 

No A350 for Emirates so it looks like a 777/380 fleet and the talk is for another order of A380's in addition to the 50 recently ordered.
Emirates cancels 70 A350s after A380 deal - 6/11/2014 - Flight Global

You'll never hear them announcing that ;)

So how long will the 330s and 340s stay on now????:rolleyes:

There is more to this story, surely. Waiting for Part-2...

A333NEO/A380NEO launch customer or even more A380CEO's?

I'm not sure there was ever a firm commitment to the airplane.

It seemed obvious to most that the large airbus orders had options to shift between types as necessary. Emirates is dedicating itself to the 380 by investing heavily in the program and as long as the planes are full seems to be paying itself off. Other airlines are certainly struggling at this stage to make a 380 fleet efficient enough to order in large numbers.

The 350 delivery which was pushed further and further back to the point where it now encroaches on the 777-8/9 schedule and negated the 350's purpose somewhat.

It seems the whole EK fleet will settle at a smaller size than originally planned which can't be good for potential joiners... What will be the time to command now?

Well this is great news, bring on that 10 years to command....every day in this place it gets worse. As soon as my bond is up I'm seriously tempted to tell them where they can stick their night Indias, sub-inflation pay rises and petty little rules.

Calm down kidlets. They have been saying a fleet size of 250 to 280 by 2024 for years now. So nothing has changed. 110 380s and 150 777 would add up, so this has been on the cards all along it seems.


If you are still under a bond there is no aircraft delivery for your command. This has been stated for years as well. And you wonder why its been increased and extended to 5yrs?


the Don

Well Don considering I'm still stuck on the minibus that will push things back further now the magic direct entry 380 FO wunderkind are sat happily cranking up their 2500 on type...

I believe they are still telling people 3-5 years at interview (second hand info so may be wrong). Also I believe they are telling newbies straight off the plane (who were told 380) that they are now going onto the 330 (again second hand info...). Be careful what you sign your name to...

Changing your type on arrival in Dubai is nothing new... It was happening to guys when I joined long long ago.

And it's not exclusive to EK - any airline can change your promised type on arrival as it suits. The difference here is just the way it's marketed at the interviews / roadshows.

Difference then was it wasn't adding three years of misery and wasted time to your career....

777 FOs have been upgrading 3 to 4 yrs faster than the 330 FO that joined on the same day for years. The last of the 310 FOs were also screwed. Nothing new here. All has been stayed here for years as well.
Ask the 4yr plus 777 FO what he has been told about his upgrade now. When you join EK as an FO expect to stay one for a long time. As has been stated for years.
Recent JoBerg roadshow were told commands have historically taken between 3 and 5 yrs. I guess you need to listen to the detail. Interestingly the road show was not attended by those that were targeted.

The don

Sure there's something about a no-poaching agreement...

don,

Actually at a recent roadshow in SIN, no one whatsoever attended, target or otherwise. The shine has worn off the polished turd for some time now.

As far as the 350 story, meh. Did anyone ever really believe they'd be on the property? Here's my quote from a post in 2011:

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/46...more-777s.html

told everyone on the 330 for years to go on the 380, the usual answer was, no way I get my command here faster or I don't have the hours, if you don't have the hours then get some because others have them, if you really thought you would upgrade earlier on a dying fleet then thats what you deserve.

it has been on pprune for a decade now that EK doesn't care about seniority and never will, don't join and then cry wolf.

Interesting. Is recruitment starting up again? Heard a figure of 509 needed from September?

I have no doubt they do need them....but will they get them? You can't recruit those that don't apply.

With min hours now at 2000 hrs and probably soon to go lower there has to be plenty of Ryanair pilots that paid for their training willing to slave for Emirates.

Care to shed some light on that.....?

Website still quotes 2500 or 4000TT of which 2000 Jet etc etc

I agree with Alcoon the Ryanair issue,
The practices of the company and it's pay for training pilots has cheapened the industry.


The cancer (of Ryanair) has arrived at EK and we will all pay the price.

The requirements now are exactly the same as when I applied in January 2012, having looked in October 2011.

Whether they are about to be cut more is another question of course...

Back to the thread though, whilst giving a wide berth to any discussion of cancers etc, does this mean that for the forseeable future, every single 330/340 pilot will spend the entire ground school washup banging on about their career progression, the plan for 380 transitions and extremely importantly what credit will be given for hours upon conversion? I hope so, let's keep ourselves in the front of the company's minds!