Not a problem for 6-12 months but then long term fatigue sets in and you cannot recover since each roster is 90hr+

Looks ok on paper but ask actual EK employee about it!!!!

As there is no credit or pay for this SIM, nor a bunch of other duties, it's common to have a full months roster polluted with these kinds of duties. It's stealing a day off, and of AED 4200 productivity pay. These duties were once paid for . But one of the higher up muppets decided those lazy pilots are having too many days off . This was in the day of the mighty 345 where pilots were hitting 100 in 28 and 900 in 365, but still getting 15 plus days off . The muppet decreed that anything over min days off was to become a AD (available day). No duty could happen on these days as the pilots were tapped out. So every AD meant another 3.5hrs productively pay (no one said the muppet was smart). All rejoiced, the muppet because he had made the pilots work more (see note about IQ of muppet), and the pilots as the mighty 345 was.....well it was mighty.....and they were getting money for nothing. Alas, when the end of the year came and the bean counters finally got said muppet to understand what had happened, the pay neutral pay cut came into effect. No more credit for leave, no more credit for non flying duties, no more credit for reserve or AD. But the productivity credit went from 84hrs to 78hrs. This worked out to about a 15% paycut. Luckily the productivity target has fluctuated since then, up to 92hrs and down to our now 88hrs. The original paycut gets bigger and bigger . The ocean of experienced pilots that wanted in dried up. Then some bright spark worked out they had paid a whole bunch of money for really wizz bang aeroplanes. They didn't need experienced pilots to fly them . They could take low houred Laura Ashley jet pilots instead. And once again the gates opened and disaster was averted. Then the ocean of baby jet pilots dwindled as word hit the streets that life weren't too rosey .So it was decided that Turbo prop pilots would now be taken . Then it was low houred turbo prop pilots. Then it was you could come back and try the recruitment sim again in a month if you failed it the first time .Then it was you can keep the flight directors and auto thrust when doing the recruitment sim, and come back in a month if you failed the first time. Maybe autopilot at 200 feet next? Who knows .
But the future looks bright . Full manning of flight deck crew by Autumn. Shouldn't be a problem .This stealing from the pilots pocket will continue . Wont be able to make that wonderful profit target without it.
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Don that was A+.
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Hey, this one is not too bad.

Mine is a lot worse!!!

I think the point here is the rostering abuse. In reality it doesn't matter if a roster is posted or not. According to EK, they are all safe and legal so whats to hide?

Because Outlaw, they are vindictive enough that should they so choose, they can go after the individual for making confidential company info known and/or disseminated on the internet which is a breach of the ERM and they can (and have) got people for this in the past. Be careful.

But how is it confidential? We say our names on the PA on every flight, thousands of flights per day, right there it puts the roster information into the public domain. Everyone who has access to FOIP can look at anyone's roster so its not really private or confidential. EK has taken "great effort" to ensure that all rosters produced follow the industry practice to avoid fatigue and meet all regulatory and legal standards. So why would they not want us to champion this high standard and show the world how good we are here? They certainly can't be embarrassed about them, they are probably the worlds most cost effective rosters! Maybe if those looking to get into EK actually saw real EK rosters and all the exciting (many) destinations (many) we fly to every month, they'd solve their recruitment issues and get those 170 pilots kicking down the door!!

I get what you're saying, and I'm not saying they're right. But it's there. If you look, it basically prohibits the sharing of any company document, app, program, screenshot, printout, email etc etc etc etc without the express written permission of the company. We've all done it- sent a screengrab from FABS or our roster to the boyfriend/wife/flatmate whatever, but should they choose to, EK will pursue it and will be in the legal right to terminate you if they want to. I personally wouldn;t risk it if still in Dubai.

Not a very good roster. One needs at least 48 hours to be able to truly enjoy their layover station, maybe even an occasional 3 or 4 day stint;)

The 777 rosters are very similar in number of work days and days off BUT to add insult to injury the 777 is paid less. I have one day off less than this but 'ONLY' in the low 90s, so paid a considerably smaller sum.

Now don't get me wrong and think it's about the money, because it is not. I would prefer to be nicely under the productivity threshold and spending time at home recovering and enjoying my family, but whilst I'm not it does grate a bit at times.

These rosters are crazy, legal, but ridiculous. You could on occasion, understand once in a while but this is month in month out year after year. Why anyone would join this place now is beyond me, yet apparently, we do have joiners. I fly with guys who joined because they had read all this stuff and didn't believe it, thinking all these posts were just a plot to keep this plum job to ourselves!

Fliion you have to wait for them to return from their public holidays before they can start to not care.

That's still funny 4 years later....


Why would you point that out? Other than trying to look clever. It's possible the muppets had the ineptitude or lack of interest to do the digging themselves until you make it easy for them. No one blew your previous (plainly obvious) identity, you should retract that post.

2335 off duty before a day off that's asking for trouble (day7)