EK DECs now on seniority list
 

The DECs have arrived, the interesting thing is they are all dressed up as FOs on the crew ID photo. Anyone know why?

ek dec
 

maybe, they haven't picked up their uniform yet......but, i only saw 2 DEC...1 330/1 777. And a DE/FO 380.

glad they are back, they are good lads

Slow day yesterday in the 777 house hold was? Catch up...DECs have been arriving since 1985 so what's new....? But don't worry, if you stay really still you might see one in the wild and if really really lucky actually get to pat one.....

Huge mistake bringing them in. No pay raises for us now

Fantastic idea to bring them back, one saved lives of hundreds, without him you probably wouldn't have a job or a terminal building, swanie.

Are you a DEC Gore?
There is not one redeeming quality to getting the DECs to Emirates, just ask the FOs. In addition to taking jobs they keep our salaries low.
What airlines do these DECs come from?

Swany, the lack of pay rise has nothing to do with DECs. It has everything to do with every LCC FO in Europe and the US selling their soul to get a gig here. Courses are filled for the financial year. Don't ever remember that happening before. They now have a holding pool of FO wannabes, can't ever remember that happening either. Supply and demand controls our pay, and it would seem the ball falls on the supply side at the moment.
Luckily the FOs that were shafted by the hiring of DECs have their commands now. Current FOs decided DEC hiring was acceptable when they signed up. So I can't see why you would be concerned by this.

The Don

There is some truth in what donpizmeov says. Have you already forgotten the two e-mails sent at the end of last year within 5 weeks of each other? Let me refresh - some new FO(s) were taking the salad dressing/olive oil off the dinner trays home. Will a pay increase of aed 20 a month send them to Spinney's to buy the whole bottle next time? I think NOT! An FO mate of mine told me recently he has seen newbies staff# 412s very regularly making a very good living by selling their days off! I'm not a DEC, but this has nothing to do with them. The bar has been dropped guys, don't expect a pay rise anytime soon. -200LR

The Don,

Do you mean that courses are full until Apr 2013? Is this for FOs or Captains? Or indeed both?! That does not concur with the info I had which suggested they were full until around October time.

Thanks.

Don is right, DEC's were always on the table, when I joined last century as a FO DEC's got hired just after me and I didn't bitch because I always knew it.

are you saying that you never heard of EK taking DEC's?

Just because EK has always hired DECs does not make it right now. As recently as 8 months ago the company said they have no plans to hire DECs as they were a mistake and a huge headache for the company not to mention shafting the FOs. Hence many well qualified FOs joined thinking no one would jump them. Now we have this.
No matter you point of view most even keeled pilots would agree Emirates does not need DECs at this point. As was said above the classes are full, just upgrade the well qualified FOs already here.

Just because EK has always hired DECs does not make it right now.

I can't see your point Swany. If you joined knowing that DECs had shafted FOs recently, and thought it ok, why would you change you mind now. Didn't your joining knowing this confirm to the company that there is no problem with hiring DECs? As I have said before, you are part of the problem.

The Don

Most of us have learnt that saying and having in writing are two different things.

Actually, not really that different, because they can (and will) do what they want anyway... :cool:

I doubt the company made those assertions in the manner that swannie claims.

Hardly surprising they're looking at DEC's.

swan's claims
 

Well forget your doubts because I heard the exact same denials of more dec's on the two mgmt washouts prior to my last one, by which time they were already coming.
I really wish we had the option of just skipping that washout and going home early or going for coffee.

The truck

you have the option, I do it all the time and nobody cares

one more thing swanie,
does BA, LH, UA, DL....... management tell their pilots the truth?
I don't think so, every company tells BS whenever it is necessary, it so easy to blame the other or previous managers.
it took me about 3 years in aviation to figure that out, dont believe anything what the management or the guy left or right tells you, make up your own mind and you will be alright.

http://www.pprune.org/3436662-post7.html

thats from 2007

I for one welcome them. If the can get thru the selection and training the deserve a seat. They are resorting to DEC because the expansion and qualified FOs dictate it. Maybe the FOs from the CRJs recruited 4 year ago were the wrong bunch....who knows. But it it reduces the workload for the A330 captains I welcome them all...