MAJOR thread creep....ouch!
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My humble apologies for helping increase the thread creep. I don't work there so I should just read and shut up. But I couldn't help myself on this one. I am sure 90%+ Emirates pilots are great guys to work with, as well as those from all 90 countries.

My last post here.

"My last post here."

Best post I've read in ages.

How did a DEC in Emirates thread become a Commercial flight to antartic..:D

It's the only continent that EK doesn't fly to. They have got to be looking at it! :E

Now they will be surely.....what with the 50 777-300ER's on their way.
THAT smells like DEC recruitment to me!

When are they coming?

The DEC's? Quite soon I guess:ooh:

I don't get the logic. If they are short of pilots, they shouldn't change the DEP policy, but providing commuting contract. Within an instance, they would get say 200% more applications, be it "first", "second" or "third" tier (whatever you mean with that). EK could hand pick. They would get the best and the brightest. But nobody wants to live in that place.

Dani...

You are correct but if you knew the culture in the Arab world and Dubai in particular, they can't really seem to understand why they're having such a hard time recruiting.... it doesn't sink in much that all they'd need to do is base overseas somewhere.

However, it's not as easy as that. First, and it actually makes a bit of sense, is that both the airline and government of Dubai want you to s

Secondly, and I'm not 100% sure of this but I believe if they base in different countries, the labor laws of that country "could" apply and Emirates would lose much of their control over it's employee group and the possibility of unions comes up and ultimately, Emirates could lose a great advantage they have not having unions as they are illegal in the UAE.

My two dirhams worth.

K

In that case they wouldn't compensate for the tax of that country. Plus housing
Are you willing to do the same job for 40+20% less? Soon you will be fed up and leave.
Attrition rate is for some reason always more on commuting contracts.
So what's the point?
More money and then more days off will bring people anywhere in the world

What the he... - wouldn't you accept the same job without housing (but living in your own house in your home country instead? School fees - no need, since your children are learning in your home country in your mother tongue. Taxes? I gladly pay my taxes if I can live in the security of my land I am born.

I for sure wouldn't leave a job, living at home and doing 2-3 weeks for an airline in a foreign country. That's the best quality of life.

Cpt Lt, I know that the locals think like that, but maybe they have to rethink? After all, the management is western, and those who have attributed to the succes are all but locals. So the question is easy: Eighter you can fill those 200 ordered wide bodies with crews or you don't...

I agree with kapitanleutnant.

Besides being slightly complicated, although doable, the major hurdle is the legal aspect of it all.

With respect to DEC recruitment, I think it's just a matter of time.

I agree, but that is the case only if you are from the Country and City where the base is. Otherwise you have to move and in case of Europe different language becomes the issue. Dunno which country will allow foreign airline hub that big.
Looking at the "commuting airlines" they usually have up to 35% workforce expats commuting and the rest are local pilots. Emirates case is opposite.
Consecutive days off and jumpseat, might sweeten the deal

Just talked with a pilot friend who also works in recruitment. No talk of DEC's. They are all too aware of how badly that failed the last time.

50 777-300ER orders have nothing to do with DEC's, as Boeing can't deliver them any faster.

From direct experience, the Cathay Pacific attempt to 'on-shore' crew, due to labour law and taxation requirements in the various jurisdictions, has been totally arsed up.

Crew are now liable for retrospective, double taxation and the situation is a total shambles. After the CX mill owners' experience with crew bases, I can't see any middle east slave traders following suit in a hurry.

They'll just have to pay good money for quality crew, like our lot used to.

pilotguy1222, although recruitment does a great job, I don't think that its up to them to decide whether DEC's are employed or not. It all has to do with numbers I guess.

disenfranchised...i love that word....its sooooo Spike Lee

the latest passing marks on the 777 interview are pretty good, btw

For once SI I agree with you here. It is ECONOMICS 101.................... We DO NOT WANT and DO NOT NEED DECs:mad:

WK...

Not saying I disagree with you old chap, but I'm sure getting tired of 95 hours each and every month and the more "bums" in the left seat, the fatigue may subside some. At this point, I'm looking forward to as many upgrades as possible and I'm one who thinks DEC's are inevitable again. I've heard come March, EK won't have enough of it's own FO's to upgrade due to current requirements. Apparently JA when to AAR to try to get it reduced some a few weeks back....

I think we all agree this 95 hours is not a sustainable deed.... but I've been hearing that for a year now and we're still doing it.

Kap