And the small matter that the YYZ station manager is a she not a he!

Using the logic on this forum, wouldn't it be prudent to remove all the seats and just fly the freight?

Makes staff travel a b@gga though.

The Don

You have a point about fuel burn per kg payload, but that is not the only measure of efficiency. The A380 is "suffers" from having 2 passenger decks and the luggage they "produce" being only absorbed by one cargo deck and that one being smaller than the 77W cargo deck by 6 LD3s.
The A380 beats the 77W by over 20% when it comes to fuel burn per passenger, this was confirmed by the SIA CEO in interviews, but can also be deducted from the A380 payload range chart and the 777 FCOM.

Saying Emirates only keeps the A380's because they were practically free and make good billboards quite disqualifies you in the eyes of the more knowledgeable forum members.

A difference of 24 J Class tickets @ AED 33400 return. One sector AED 16700 X 24 = AED 400,800.00.
60 Tonne difference is 75 000 liters. (SG of 0.8) [corrected thanks to 5star]

Now there's a difference of 2 First Class seats granted they are probably not used, but all the same that's another AED 45430.00

Oh yes,then the cattle in the lower deck. That would be an extra 92 @ AED 6570.00 return. Thats a cool AED 302,220.00 one way.

All tolled up this is Aed 748,450.00. I'm very glad that some of my very well informed colleagues are not running this airline, as they would have you believe that we should not spend an extra 60 tonnes of gas to make that money. This weeks IATA average fuel price is $1015.50/metric tonne which would be $76162.50 (AED279 740).

At IATA prices (excluding hedging) the 380 makes a good deal more money.


Today's flight from JFK incidentally took 8/75/377.
No difference first class.
22 Difference Bussiness (excluding 1 staff)
70 Difference economy


My figures are straight off the Emirates web site, I'm sure they are probably out by a bit. I'm willing to bet though that the 380 is not the money wasting beast it is made out to be.

AFAIK the 380 was going to GRU. That isn't happening for now, so no requirement for the 777 to 380 courses.

No, just more BS. Halas :rolleyes:

The reason the 777-380 classes were cancelled has nothing to do with the GRU destination being on hold for the Fatbus.

It has to do with the fact the bean counters and what not forgot to include the 777 Freighters when factoring the staffing req's for each fleet.

A major oversight... as usual. :D Not the first time, won't be the last.

Saywhat
 

Personally not interested in the beancounters job (I think we have more than enough indians in HQ for that), but I'm intrigued that you got the kg to liters conversion wrong. :ugh:
60 tons is still 75K liters buddy. :rolleyes:

Maybe next time go straight to bed after that nasty night turn.
Just check next time you sign off the techlog.....

which is most probably the case...:ok:

5star
 

Oops if my sums are wrong - sorry

Maybe at SIA, but a simple calculation based on KG per seat reveals a very different picture at EK (config differences etc etc) also, a quick look for those of you that can reveals that there are an awful lot of upgrades going on with respect to economy pax moving up to J. From a pure financial perspective it's hardly the money maker some are claiming on here, it is however a comfy beast to pax on and the goodwill the upgrades generate for EK is money in the bank IMHO.
Let's be honest here, if you go over to it you are effectively stopping your career in it's tracks, unless of course you enjoy the hotels in Incheon, or you are staying here till you are 65.

Ladies, are you for real??? Who cares how much fuel the whale needs or how much money it makes or not?? What is wrong with y'all?? You have too much free time to worry about this crap? The original question was whether to jump ships or not...
As much as I hate the 777 (coming from the bus), as a Captain you'd be crazy to go to the whale except for lifestyle. Nobody will ever employ you as a 380-DEC if you leave EK! This is the only valid point! You wanna work less? Fine, go fly the 380. You wannna remain marketable? Stay on the damn 777. It's that easy. I made my decision since I don't wanna be here for the next 10 or 20 years: I keep up with the ****ty seats and the terrible noise of the 777 but when the day comes I'll get a job somewhere else in a heartbeat. Your talk about fuel and money is soooooo boring, get a life!

....but if you want to retire in a few years and never ever want to fly again the 380 is great to fly and easy to operate, thats what really counts.

So funny to listen to the 777 drivers who say the 380 wont do any LR or european flights in the future, I am sure they are right and EK just bought them to stand on the tarmac.

GT, you got a point and your are absolutely right. I just cannot listen to this "mine is bigger than yours, mine is making more money than yours, but yours is using more fuel than mine" cr:ugh:p anymore. Who gives a :mad:??? It´s all about lifestyle and personal future planning, nothing more. A plane is a plane is a plane, for god´s sake! Grow up people!

It's definitely about lifestyle and career, just read the copilots rant about getting shafted to the fatbus.
Let the T7 drivers go fly the whale if they want, i'm sure they'll manage, and let the ones keep their T7 rating who feel ok with it.

Concerning the routes and fuel guzzling. Look at what Lufthansa and Air France are doing this winter, they're pulling the fatbus off routes that show thinner preloads. Now this is not an easy exercise, just a phone call from SMNC away. It takes a lot of planning and shifting of manpower, so you wouldn't do it, if not really for some savings. This indicates a problem with the whale when loads are not high.

So we might be prepared for some big shifts in patterns for the next couple of seasons, if EK can get their manning right for once.

TC will stay happy with the whale as long as Airbus pays the huge compensations for overweight and lack of promised performance (ask the top bean counters how much, you'll be surprised). Once this is gone, it will sound very much different.