QR 777, engine hits the airbridge, CPT
 

Any news or further information about this incident?.
Hear that the Capt is a very questionable:mad:TRE, also that the airplane has to spend several days on ground.
More information please guys!.
Thanks and have a nice weekend.

The Capt must be Algerian

a/c was parked down at the maint hangar on the 29th day after it happened. Apparently guidance said B772 however aircraft was a B773

Witnessed the same thing in YYZ last year; same cause! Engine required a nose-cowl change, then "good-to-go"!

No guys the Capt is not from this nationality. This is the one who has a BIG attitute giving hard time to anyone during training. Was the one who has demoted another TRE spying in hes unclosed recorded session.
Used to be TRTO.
Do you guys think, he will be demoted from training? everyone I spoke to are waiting for this. Another TRE was demoted for an stabilizad approach in JFK, imagine this case, damaging the aircraft, cancelling the flight, etc etc.
As you guys know, GOD is very JUST, ussually this happened to the very arrogants:mad: ones. I hope this guy now will be a little bit humble and fair.
Waiting for more info about the incident.
I ts the 777 still in CPT?
Thank you guys, SAFE FLIGHTS.

"You have a problem with algerians"
 

No, they have with us. :}

Bad period for QR TREs! A couple of weeks ago a 340 TRE was removed from training for taking out a few taxiway lights on the D to C turn in DOH, now this.
These guys are supposed to be the hottest dogs in the airline... maybe it's better not to let them out of the sim!

Yes your Algerian, :* if not ask any Cabin crew, ground staff F/O what they think about you. Besides you guys thinking your french, your arrogant, racist, and cant fly worth a Shiite.
Did I make my self clear, or you gonna run to the moderator like a little school girl

The aircraft is BBC, a 777-200LR.
There was no guidance available for docking in CPT, so the marshaller led the aircraft in....
Unfortunately he thought it was a -300ER, which is some 10 mtrs longer, and so the pilots hit the loading bridge with left engine while taxying in....

So it's not 100% captain A. fault, though a small doubt may certainly arise if you are familiare with the parking procedures in CPT.
BSB

So if it's true that the marshaller was guiding the aircraft, it is not really the crew's fault, isn't it? Since you are supposed to look at the guy guiding you, not turn left to see how far you are...
Anyway, would you be able to judge the distance from the wing/engine by looking out?

No, it's very difficult to exercise good judgement on your position relative to the bridge....the engine is almost impossible to see, and of course you're looking ahead to comply with marshaller instruction...

The Captain involved in this incident is a very nice person and very good pilot.
It was the marshaller at fault.

HM:ok:

Hajman
 

I was always under the impression that the Captain was, ultimately responsible and if unhappy with marshaler's instructions, should stop. In UK Law, there was a test case donks ago where the pilot of a light twin, at Leeds, I believe, followed the Marshaler's instructions and collided with something. The Judge made it clear that the Pilot is, ultimately, ALWAYS responsible. It thus became UK law . I believe ICAO adopted the same principle. Harsh, I know, but still the law. Be careful out there chaps.

It is the captains responsibility in the end that is for certain but you have certain items and responsibilities that are designated and the company train or should train the individual to do the job. A few examples are, the cabin crew to disarm the doors on arrival, the engineer to tighten and torque the nuts and bolts properly when he changes a wheel, the gate agent to check that the correct passenger is on the correct flight and the marshaller that brings you into a parking spot is familiar and knows what he is doing as well as he has a close eye on where things are as well as what is going on around the operation.
You are very right that we need to be careful out there as there seems to be very much lack of concentration and professionalism out there these days.

HM:ok:

Please forgive my ignorance, but could anyone suggest a specific way to control the parking of a 777 when following instructions from a marshaller. Please don't forget you cannot see the wing tip let alone the engine. And you can not judge small distances on the camera.
In case no one can come up with such a way could people referencing to incidents with mosquito killing aircraft just shut it. :mad:
And to the very clever ones that are ready to hang the captain because he is ultimately responsible as the law states: Don't be so quick! Aviation is a team game. Lots of thinks happen in the background beyond any control whatsoever by the captain. The captain however has to deal with the consequences from other people incompetence. :=

Precisely. To those who complain about "overpaid bus drivers", it's worth remembering the old legal adage that still stands: No matter what, "It's your baby, Captain!". The buck does indeed stop there, at the front end.

Interesting point of law, isn't it ? A lot of laws were written & others made through judgement (becoming precedent in UK law) a long time ago and have not been changed in line with enormous changes in our working environment. I agree with the difficulty in parking a 777 (say) under Marshaler's (sorry, no spell check & everyway I try it, it looks wrong). Maybe the Law should be clear and hand over "joint" responsibility, to the Captain and the Marshaler. Any incident could then be directed at the one making the error.

In the days when these lovely swept back wings with winglets came into being, My Company had an incident where our aircraft, at LHR, taxying out, correctly positioned on the centreline, thumped another aircraft, in the tail. The latter was NOT correctly parked.Company hearing ruled against our Captain & we were all reminded of our "ultimate" responsibilities !!
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Heady job really, eh ? Give the FO a leg & he screws up the landing, WE get the blame !! Maybe this is why we get these HUGE salaries !

More than 2 millions dollars mistake. Some jury will decide who had the full responsability. Aircraft still in South Africa what I heared.
Many of my friends on T7 call this Capt as the A:mad:Ho:mad: of the TREs.
Good luck to him, he will need it.:ok:

Come on guys ... crucifying someone for a mistake isn't so professional! Important is learning from it ... there are always 2 type of pilots ... pilots that already did it and pilots who will do it!

169west you are right.
Unfortunately, that rule does not apply in QR:ugh:

Enjoy:cool: