emirates
 

Hi Permalink,
I was invited in amsterdam few days ago, and after 5 days I haven't received any email yet, instructsor told us to have an answer on friday( monday assessment) and I haven no news...
Do you know how long it takes and may you tell me when did you get the answer?

Thanks a lot

Well from what I've been reading I'm afraid to apply at Emirates now. I'll be doing my ATP check ride this month and was hoping to apply at Emirates, now I'm not to sure.

Hi Guys

I'd like to make one question.

I applied to Emirates in August, shortly after that I got the email that my application has been place in the shortlisted pool, but since then no communication at all, I have updated my profile a couple of times but nothing at all.

has anyone got the invitation for the assessment recently?? Actually I was so happy because after 3 days I got the email, so I though it is going to be fast, for good or for bad, I know most of the guys in my airline that applied recently got the email saying that they are not even shortlisted.

Thank you guys

EK selection
 

Hi guys.. I just went for EK selection and I didn't clear it..I will try and write whatever I remember and experience. Again, I am just writing my experience and it could be different from others.

I got email from EK for PSP in AMS but I was not able to attend the PSP so they gave me an option to come and do full 4 days in DXB. After sending them email that I can come dubai they sent me option for dates in October. I picked my date which suited me and replied. Within 1 day, I got confirmation that those dates have been booked.

1 week before the assessment, I got email with forms to be filled and brought on day 1. They give you list of documents. Make sure you have all these with you on day 1.

Then another email which had sim brief package.

Then another email with visa and ticket.

Your ticket is Y/J.. That means you are confirmed for economy but if space available and if you ask check-in person, you will get upgrade to business.

After arrival in DXB, you can either get taxi or hotel shuttle. To get hotel shuttle you might have to wait for 30-40 mins.. I took a taxi and it costed me 40dhs.

Hotel is a 3 star Premier inn. Not very impressive, but has a 24 hours costa coffee. You are entitled for 100dhs which you can use it in hotel restaurant, room service, bar etc..for breakfast you are only entitled for continental breakfast, not allowed to eat hot meals in breakfast as not entitled.

Day 1:- Bus leaves the hotel at exact 6:30 am and arrives at 6:40. You walk and make your way to pilot lounge. Everyone knows it. You can ask any EK staff.

A very warm welcome from EK pilots. They will ask your room number and documents and print out of documents they had sent you in email.

Then you continue to HR brief. And then followed by Brief with selection pilot who would be doing your sim.

Very nice TRE. Very honest. He gave us a chance to ask him whatever we wanted to.
We asked him a lot of questions. He answered all very patiently and honestly.
Pilots are flying 90+ hours.. EK is really short of FO. Hence hiring a lot of guys. Also since short of FO, very slow command upgrade. May be 10-12 years.. He said company says 5 but he thinks 10-12.. He said don't come to EK if you are not prepared for EK ops. Max 8 days off in a month. As you go up on seniority your bidding value goes up and can spend upto 15 days at home.. But he said there are 3000+ pilots , so he said just think by when will your seniority comes.

Then divided in to groups.. Airbus guys did sim on A380 and boeing on B777.

Rest of guys did compass test.

Compass test was 90% similar to latest pilot jobs. Everyone who came had done latest pilot jobs.

Day finished.. Go hotel.. At 4:30 you get a call if you continue or not..if you didn't make it, try after 2 years.

On day 2... It starts at 7 am so again take the same shuttle at 6:30. Go to 6th floor and do some physcometry questions.. 10:30 spouse joins and go for tour.. Very nice and informative.. Ask as many questions you want.

Come back to office, do some more physcmtry questions..

Day 3:- i did not pass this day. You start with group excercise and then panel interview..

Out of 16 guys, 10 failed on day 1.. I don't know how many failed on day 3..

EK has very big operations as we all know, but just think if you are ready for it.. Its a very good company.. One of the best.. Dont go to EK if you are looking for command.. If you want to spend time woth family, you need to wait till you go up in seniority.. Which might be 4-5 years..

Overall good company good people.. I didn't make it but wish you all good luck and hope you get into EK and write inside story..

Sim profile
 

I am getting many OM asking about sim profile. So I will write here so that everyone can read.

SIM is for about 45 mins..

Raw data takeoff.. Clearance would be takeoff maintain rwy heading, 1500ft turn left hdg 120 climb 3000.. It was same clearance for everyone.

Then turn right to heading .... Climb to ... With 1000ft

Then turn left to heading ... Decent to... With 1000ft

Then they ask you what is your position for London VOR..

They pause the sim and put you on 30 degree intercept, raw data ILS 2 engine.. You are already on F5 confrigration. Do ILS and you will go missed as per the profile.. After clean up engine failure.. Simple flame out.. When aircraft is under control, trimed, they freeze the sim again.. They ask you your next course of action(s)..

Then they put you on 30 degrees intercept again.. Single engine ILS aprch.. You are F5 confrigration and you have FD.. Continue to land.. If unstable go around..

End of check..

Overall
 

Overall everything is very relaxed and simple.. After every excercise you feel ahh this was not that difficult.. And you feel you did good.. But results says something else..

I was shocked to see guys with 777 747 330 with thousand of hours.. Flying with good airlines were not able to pass day 1.. What they want or what are they looking for only they can say..

migair54, same situation for me. From what it looks like, nothing is guaranteed. You might get a call for an interview/assessment next month or in 6 months, or even no call at all. It all depends on what they have on file in terms of experience pool.

Best of luck buddy,

Nice to see the pilot being honest on the working conditions. They will need 100's of pilots and we need you guys to pass so you can replace us quickly 😉.

Psychometric tests
 

what this Psychometric test contains?

I mean there are many psychometric test styles and formats Is that Behavioural Test with personality questionnaires ? Or is that a silly Aptitude Tests with numeracy and literacy skills and spatial awareness..?

Salary package?
 

Thank you LDGGRUP for such an informative post. I'm sorry you didn't get through, but it may be a blessing.

I was wondering if you or anyone was given a more detailed salary package. I have read the general description in the job advertisement. 29500DHs, is that correct, does it include per diems? I would like to know if they pay 100% of school fees or just up to a maximum allowance. Relocation costs etc, stuff like that.

I have been invited to AMS in January, but would like to know more about the financial package on offer.

Thanks again for the post.

Education Allowance
 

Copied from emiratesgroupcareers.com FAQ:
Do I get Education Support Allowance?
Yes, support allowances (for up to 3 children) are as follows:
Primary School AED 40,000 maximum per child (Emirates pay 100% of the first AED 20,000 and 90% of the balance, up to a limit of AED 40,000 per academic year).
Secondary School AED 60,000 per child (Emirates pay 100% of the first AED 30,000 and 90% of the balance, up to a limit of AED 60,000 per academic year)

Note: These allowances have recently been increased to 47500 and 72500 AED pa.

caveat:
Allowance not paid until school year in which child becomes 5 years old. i.e Nursery and British curriculum FS1 excluded. Some schools offer 10% discount for EK employees. There is a slight over-supply of school places for the first time in a while so places are available but many of the better schools charge more than these fees. Not-for-profit schools tend to be over-subscribed. Children with special needs may experience more difficulty finding places. Some schools are direct billing with EK which lowers the stress levels of writing a cheque that you can't cover until EK refunds the claim.

Hope that helps

Brilliant. Thank you Saint. I must have a look at those FAQs :E

Great Info, thanks for sharing!

If you come from a Turboprop or regional jet are you able to choose equipment?

You can express a preference during interview on final day but you are not guaranteed your preference and it may change at any time according to company requirements.

In other words, "No".

Why would single put you in a disadvantage? As desperate as they are for bodies, I don't think they really care what your status is and never have in the past either. One way to find out how you stack up, apply and find out. But considering the low time candidates with no jet time now being accepted I assume you would be a leap ahead of them.

It could have been like that in the old times. A married pilot was seen as a person looking for a stable, long term career in the same airline. Even better if he has kids. The guys that you see jumping from place to place every one or two years are usually single.

But now we live surrounded by beancounters. Single means smaller apartment, no wife and kids visa costs, medical or education allowances, less annual leave tickets and a long etc.

The way I see it, they may like it if you say that you've gone through vasectomy or that you're gay.

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

They don't care if you are single or not. 8 pople joined the assessments. 5 of them married. They picked the one who is single with the Aussie passport and eliminat the rest. As they lowered the requirements to one above hell, i don't think they would even care about you being gay or not lol

failure rate?
 

It seems like the failure rate is incredibly high . . . . . .

The failure rate has gone up because the minimum requirements have gone down but the required standards haven't- yet.

Experienced pilots well beyond the "new" min requirements are not invited for selection .. :}

One of the guys that work with me got today a call from Emirates recruitment to talk about him for a while over the phone, it's the first time I heard this and basically he told me that the call was a few questions about flying background, IR test dates, current position and things like that.

Have any of you heard about this before??

At the end of the call, he was told that it was all good and he has good chances to get an invitation for Dubai, but it could take days, weeks or months.

my friend received the same call as well, it was a month ago and they said will contact within 2 weeks if successful. but till now no news.

Normally when they call it's for an English language check.

So is the assessment team running their own agenda?
Are they stalling the whole process in order to escalate the shortage and force a change in T&C's for all EK pilots?
The failure rate seems to be higher than normal, and some very experienced guys are getting axed.

My 10 cents about some suggestions here what is better the EK in the middle east.

1.Some guys say Qatar is one of the top destinations for european pilots. I was there a couple of years ago(and was quitting there after 2 years because it was unbearable) - QR knows they have to pay a ****load of money to convince pilots to join them(and to replenish because of all the people leaving).
When I was there management was not really great(nicely said), fleetchiefs more or less the same as management, rostering horrible(i had up to 23 rosterchanges/month, no bull****). I would say, forget QR(and Doha, brrrr).

2. QR Executive just the same as I hear.

3. Had a look at the Turkish "gig" last year - can not suggest that really.The Turkish Lira is in free fall and you don't know what will happen with your salary over the next couple of months. Plus leaving(and driving :bored:) in Istanbul, everyone who had a look at that knows what I mean. Only good point is that IST is closer to europe then DXB,but within 6 hours you are at home flying out of DXB - good enough for me.

If it has to be Turkey then consider Sunexpress, they are looking urgently for Captains and pay in Euros. But not really great either, lots of flying, salary around 6300 Euros(depends on experience), need a place there and effectively just 5 days at home if commuting(7 days in a row/month).

4. Maybe Fly Dubai is worth a shot.

Based from my "Doha Experience" I must say that the location is of outmost importance for "long term happiness"(at least for me). And saying that I can just think of Dubai in the Middle East where I would like to spend a longer period(and I do a lot of ME flying, currently operating a heavy businessjet in command but looking to go back to to old airline operation).


After a lot of years not living anymore in the ME I decided it is time again to give it a shot and I applied for EK, got a positive reply within 48 hrs and sitting now in the holding pool.

I had a read over the last few pages of this Thread and found some test prep sites that are suggested.

Is that one from "latestpilotsjobs" any good and can be suggested(maybe someone who ACTUALLY made it inside EK)?

Any other way of preparation required or is everything covered in the offered preparation? E.g. I did the "Mollymawk" prep for Sunexpress, but then decided that this company is not really my long term career goal. Everything was covered in the "Mollymawk"...

Looking forward to hear some suggestions, thank you!

Yes
 

X,
That's exactly their job! To interview potential candidates. A simple 3-5 minute conversation with an applicant lets the interviewer know if they have potential or are wasting the applicants time and EKs resources bringing out someone who looks good on paper but will not pass training because the individual can not understand English to an acceptable standard. If you notice here on PPrune EK pilots have the utmost respect for the individuals who work in recruitment. They have a very hard job, especially in these times. I assure you no one there has an agenda other than passing on qualified pilots to the training department.

Do they sometimes change their minds after you already passed the interviews?
I know a colleague who went through the whole process, medicals checked out Okay, and then there was silence.

Though rumors abound of a no poach agreement with a certain East African carrier with red green and black tails. After a sudden increase of the EA carrier pilots applying to EK and a couple of them making it through, there were concerns they would lose many more. The HR of the said company approached EK and made a request to put a stop on recruitment of their pilots. Is that even possible at a time they so desperately need airframe drivers?

We can't say the name of Kenya Airways??

Maybe they change their mind after doing some documentation checks or requesting some documentation and it was submitted or not done on time.

I heard that few Kenya Airways pilots left to go to Qatar, more than to EK, but why should EK get an anti-poaching agreement with KQ??


Xiamen>
why would the HR department stall the process to help pilots?? they should do their job, otherwise they can be blamed in case not enough pilots join and they have to start cancelling flights and grounding planes.

I don't know, and I will not pretend to have a clear view of the EK assessment policy, but two friends of mine went for the DEC assessment. Both widebody captains in the 15000 - 20000 hr bracket. Both previously assessed and passed by other major airlines. Both failed, and so did all the other DEC candidates who tried at the same time.
Is HR the only part who decides who will pass or not?
I got no idea, but the EK assessment can't be that different from all the airlines. If you pass one, you should as a general rule pass the other.
Maybe I'm just seeing ghosts? :confused:

Maybe they are just more concerned about DEC's as this IS a risky step for any company.

You hire a captain that should fly your shiny aircraft and risk the wellbeing of the entire company.

If you hire FO's it is much easier - you have a person in charge that is long in the company and can have an eye on that new joiner. If it is the other way around it is much harder for the company.

Actually very easy to understand(if you put yourself in an airlinemanagers shoes) why DEC'S are the last resort for any company.

I really respect that, being myself a captain in europe since 1999. If I would join EK it would be most likely as an FO. Or do you think BA, LH or any other serious European carrier would hire a DEC??

In my eyes a safety question. You want to know your captains.

It seems now EK starts to hire DECS on the 330 fleet, it seems they are very desperate right now.

DEC is by far the cheapest way to increase the pilot numbers. It only takes one pilot and one transition training.
An upgrade takes three.
I can't comment on the risk as I have never seen any statistics on this.
EK are taking DEC on 777 as well now. Check the website.

True that it is cheap - in training numbers and figures.

If you go the other way it could be very expensive and kill a company - just imagine a plane goes down and pilot error is the cause.

Lot's of airlines think in training costs and don't really know the person that they are hiring - i think we all agree that psychologists and HR people can be tricked sometimes very easily if you push "the right buttons" during an interview. At the end an interview is not rocket science if you did it often enough.

And accident/incident history shows enough cases with just the wrong people in the left seat(and sometimes in the right as just seen recently in Germany).

I think EK is one of the ME carriers that tries to keep the DEC numbers quiet low(i stand corrected if someone comes up with other figures , especially compared to Etihad or Qatar) for said reasons.

Did PSP1 in Brisbane earlier this week. Computer exams were identical to whats on LPJ. Sim in the 737NG.

Sim was a bit weird, BN R19, climbing & descending turns (apparently not marked), raw data ILS --> go around --> engine failure. Went out of tolerances during this excercise.

Then asked what I would do now, they are after your failure management procedure stuff. Single engine ILS with FD on, nothing to bad here.

Biggest gimmick is they dont give you any power settings / attitudes / speeds before the sim so its all trial and error when you jump in. The speeds are different to Microsoft flight sim, so that didnt help. Probably a bit harsh considering none of the candidates had any jet time (all turboprop pilots).

Was told they are after 500 pilots this year, 700 next year, and this year is all for B777.

Not expecting any further progression through the recruitment stage as I did go out of tolerance during the engine failure, but hopefully some others find this information useful.

Hello everyone. Just wanted to ask what is the realistic flight time and experience that people who are getting hired now have? Are they taking people at the minimums published or do they want something higher?

Also, any time frame for someone like me dropping my app in today, how long it could be before i can expect to maybe get called for an interview and then expect to start, provided you clear the assessment?

Thanks for your valuable feedback. Cheers!

Updown:

Were you allowed to use the Flight Director?

FD only on for th single engine ILS.

Any feedback on the recent pass rate at LHR?

I Can confirm you need 2000hrs turboprop - first question we were asked was what aircraft do you have 20000hrs on?

Thanks. And any idea how long one can expect to wait for an interview after dropping in your app etc? And how soon do you start training provided you clear the screening process? Thanks

Contacting References
 

I recently finished the 4 day interview process in DXB and I was wondering how long does it take for them to contact your references after you finish the interview process?

If someone who has recently gotten a job offer can tell me exactly how long they waited before they got an email from Emirates about contacting their references, I would appreciate it. Thanks

UPDOWN did you pass the sim Assesment or not ???
cheers