EK Roster Predictions for 2010
 

Rosters, lifestyle and general happiness will further decline throughout this year and until about September 2011. I go on record with that prediction!

Training is maxed out this fiscal year (to April 2011) and that is only taking into account 'the historical' attrition rate for pilots. No doubt this assumption is blissful thinking on the company's part.

7 months ago I thought our lives at EK would be worse in 2010 and obviously that prediction is coming to fruition. If you thought 2009 was a nightmare, just wait for the next year and a half.

I mean really, roughly 300 pilot trainees in 2010 fiscal year (which is the tentative plan based on the most optimistic prediction of training capabilities), will not even come close to maintaining the operation. Not only that, but this company is being forced to accept a lower standard than what has been required in the past. (just heresay).

I would like to know what other pilots at EK think about the near and probable distant future of this airline with respect to our level of work, fatigue, T&C's.... because that little light at the end of the tunnel has disappeared for me.

You just watch it, mate! It's in the Gulf News today that they're just executing another poor guy in Saudi Arabia, for "sorcery and witchcraft", because he predicted the future. :=

The light at the end of the tunnel now appears to be the headlights of an oncoming train.

Opposite direction traffic, TCAS alert, same rails!

Bail or suffer?

Vot to be Doing???

Going against our professional nature, I think most people will reach the breaking point and simply opt for the sick fatigue option ( I would hope ) not to mention being legitimately sick, and still work a relatively full month. A 90 hour month on an Airbus schedule is downright horrific.

I understand the recruitment pool is full of NA RJ pilots. It will be interesting to see the recruitment results this year.

Sure hope the 6%, 2 weeks rumour is true....

Rosters:

-777: 90 hours/month target with 13-15 days off/month
-330: 80 hours/month target with 8-10 days off/month
-380: 90 hours/month target with 14-16 days off/month

Leave:

80% will get 30 days/annum assigned, 20% will get > 30 days/annum assigned. Those with 30 days will be assigned leave as the company sees fit to reduce the leave balances.

Saltaire, that is what management want you to be grateful for.

6% Big deal. 3 last year, 3 this year.
2 weeks after record profits. Joke.

Needs to be 20% minimum + 10 weeks to resemble anything acceptable.
They have shafted us so long now that 6% and 2 weeks seems good.

IT'S CRAP.

Fair enough, this is just a recent rumour.

I agree with you and your strong opinions, the pay increase should be more than just 6% on basic, plus a healthy profit share....

I did laugh when told about the DCP(A) telling a recent training wash up that things would improve because our hours would go from 90 to 85 per month.....hahahahaha:mad:

time to pay our overtime
 

I hope 6% 2 weeks is true......

Seems like we are all suffering from fatigue induced amnesia.

A six percent pay rise would cover last years, and this years 3% increment.

Consider that the monthly hours are unlikely to reduce below 90 for the foreseeable future, and taking into account 2 x 3perc increments and the overtime, a 17 percent pay rise would put us back to where we would have been had our overtime not been stolen, and our pay frozen. No one however would argue that such adjustments were justified at that time, given the scope of the financial crisis.

As far as the bonus goes for many it will be a case of they giveth, then they taketh away, in that the 2 weeks will be used to cover any DEWA liability.

An FOs flying pay is 45dhs/hr, a new grade 2 stewardess is 53dhs/hr, however beware of any pay rises based on flying allowance as it doesn't contribute to any benefits such as provident fund, loss of lic, death cover, and you won't get it while on leave, office duties, ground duties, when sick, and so on

The group is set to make close to 3 billion dihrams this financial year.

We made our sacrifice at a time when it was sensible to do so, now its time to give back what was taken, 6 percent for the increments and our overtime back to where it was before.

Keep dreaming...they still have debts for more than 50 billion dollars.
They will not give you a single penny. Ain't you proud to help?
And ,as everybody seems to be thinking in this forum, either you take it or you leave it.

Did I hear you say 6% and 2 weeks????????????

Are you serious? We had record profits and you're talking about being happy with 6% and 2 weeks. WOW!!! No wonder management choose to treat us like slaves. Guys like you are settling for crap.

We deserve a lot more than that. Try 15% for starters on our base salary. Bonus? Nothing less than 6 weeks. 8 weeks would be ideal. At least that's what it should be. Remember, we had 3 billion dhs in profit. Most companies are happy to turn a profit of a buck. And schedules/overtime, don't get me started. I think we all know what needs to happen there. The threshold/target is an absolute nightmare. I have bad dreams even thinking about it. Assuming I can even get some sleep. With rosters like this, it's hard to come by.

If things don't change, and the package doesn't get better.... interesting times are in the near future. Dubai and the Emirates brand does not hold the same respect it use to amongst aviation professionals. Reputation alone will not attract new pilots like it use to.

The word is out.... :D

50 billion USD plus Dubai debt + 1 billion USD Emirates profit = 49 billion debts

Thinking of EK in a vacuum won't help getting the picture.
It is part of a largely loss making conglomerate and you are worked to death just to repay those debts and not be given any profit share or payrise.
Until you will not refuse to fly they will keep screwing you and knowing the generally low ethical and moral profile (to be read : no balls) of the category you will never do that cause you are scared to death of not being able to afford you SUV or house keeping slave.
But you still can leave it ...if you don't like it.

salham aleikum

I'm kinda with Salty on this one. I'm thinking -

6% and 2 weeks would be neutral, not happy but better than the way I expect to be treated.

10%+ and 4 weeks+ I'd be quite happy and shut my pie-hole for a few weeks.

Anything near zero and I'd have to snap and curse the desert these morons walk on; also take matters into my own hands - ie. a personal policy of nothing for nothing. My personal time would become WAYYYY more important to me than it is now (ie. go from quite a bit more important to "who's ek?").

The truth will show in a few weeks when they announce it. I think they're nearing the end of the opportunity to prove they "get it" or not. And it's not just the flightdeck; MCC has lost dozens in the last few weeks and without a carrot, they'd probably reach critical state before the f/d does. Notice the parallel here? Who's the boss of both groups. Yep, once again the incredibly assinine, egocentric and lazy Alpha Alpha Romeo is at the core of the immediate problems facing the airline.

Standby for for feast or famine.

CO out.

JEEZ, I have my helmet on now ! Didn't expect the barrage incoming.

Thanks CO, you're so kind ;)

I agree, cost neutral would likely be 6% and 2 weeks, so north of 10% and 4 weeks is reasonble. I'll zip it next time....

Well, firstly, the missing out of 3% from last year and the 3% from this year doesn't make up a 6% raise given now - if they even give it to us... The hours that we're flying and the loss of overtime pay, well that's just plain theft.

As for the record profits of 2009/2010. We met our target (which was only announced after they worked out how much money was made, but that's a seperate issue...), so I'm thinking that 2 weeks profit share is all that we're entitled to.

You're also missing the point. A 6% raise this year is not the same salary level as having gained our 3% both years. Maybe you don't appreciate the concept of Compound Interest.

Management also like chaps like YOU. Don't let these bull****ters convince you that you're back where you would've been with 3% x2 .... IF they give 6% this year. Which they won't.

Yes, the compound effect on 3% is a small amount but it should've been YOUR small amount. Some of the FOs with three or four kids might resent not getting it.

"Every little bit counts". That should be their corporate motto.

Even if they give us 6%, the compound interest effect (as well as the 12month delay) saved them millions in the meantime. Read Safar - You'll soon see someone in our management grinning with a shiny Najzm Award for happily screwing the pilots out of some (more) cash.

I won't be happy with anything less than 15%, reduction in productivity limit to 82 hours and 4 weeks bonus, but that is just because I'm a pilot, and so I always want more!

But the managers are going to try to get away with something far less than that :mad: silly people, and the recruiters are going to have to tell taller and taller tales at the info sessions just to get people to come for interview.

Maybe the managers are about to have to live by their own slogan soon...Keep Discovering....where the few, desperate, uninformed pilots are!

Pork Knuckle...

Maybe you should re-read my last post again.

How am I missing the point??? Compound interest?? Are you smoking some serious Mexican green tar???

I think we should have gotten a pay raise last year as well as one this year. On top of a bonus for both years. Where in my last post do I suggest otherwise. I think we're getting robbed by the company and you're stating that management like chaps like me. Ummm..... ok. Not sure how you see that but whatever.

I think you better read a little slower... maybe a little more carefully. :=

They like people who don't understand that they lost more than last year's 3%. This year your percentage pay rise would've been based on last year's salary level AND the last year's 3% increase. This is known as compound interest, my friend.

Instead (IF they were to give us the 6%) (which they won't - last year's 3% is gone forever) there would be a difference in the end result (the product). As I said it is small, on this occasion, but it should be your money.

I suspect our loving management beancounters DO understand compound interest and enjoy it when the slaves (that's us) don't catch onto exactly what we're missing.

I haven't smoked anything waccy since I've been here but I still sometimes feel like I'm on drugs in this place.

You can be sure you are being robbed and not just on the salary. EK pay you your cash but every function of the entire city (including your employer) is arranged in such a way as to try to recover as much of that money back from you as possible. With the FOs, they largely succeed.

"....We have taken brave & decisive steps, agreed on an ambitious outcome & reaffirmed our commitment to lower expectations by at least 50% by 2011....":ugh: