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S.F.L.Y 22nd Oct 2009 16:21


Wonder what it was? control surface maybe; causing loss of control?
I think a control surface wouldn't fall that fast and straight. Looks more like an engine. This should be known as it didn't fell far from the RWY.

skypilot320 22nd Oct 2009 18:30

Status: Preliminary
Date: 21 OCT 2009
Time: 15:30
Type: Boeing 707-300
Operating for: Sudan Airways
Leased from: AZZA Transport
Registration:
C/n / msn:
First flight:
Crew: Fatalities: 6 / Occupants: 6
Passengers: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 0
Total: Fatalities: 6 / Occupants: 6
Airplane damage: Destroyed
Airplane fate: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Location: ca 1 km N of Sharjah Airport (SHJ) (United Arab Emirates)
Phase: Takeoff (TOF)
Nature: Cargo
Departure airport: Sharjah Airport (SHJ/OMSJ), United Arab Emirates
Destination airport: Khartoum-Civil Airport (KRT/HSSS), Sudan
Flightnumber: 2241
Narrative:
A Boeing 707 cargo plane, owned by Azza Transport, was destroyed when it crashed in a desert area immediately after takeoff from Sharjah Airport (SHJ). The airplane operated on Sudan Airways flight SUD2241, crashed near the Emirates Road, broke up and burned.
Weather reported around the time of the accident (ca 11:30 UTC):
OMSJ 211100Z 33012KT 270V010 9999 FEW040 32/19 Q1012=
OMSJ 211200Z 32011KT 9999 FEW040 32/18 Q1012=

Zeflo27 22nd Oct 2009 18:54

Looked to me like an engine came off,from the video footage.

EGGW 22nd Oct 2009 19:01

Here's the video footage -



EGGW

Spoogie 22nd Oct 2009 22:49

It's clear that this recording was taken from the OMSJ security center. I am sure the GCAA would not have a problem finding what it was that fell. However if anyone knows, some of the stuff that was reported to have been recovered for the runway....would really like to hear.

MrMachfivepointfive 23rd Oct 2009 04:02

Ord 1980
 
Initial rate of climb looks healthy. The American DC10 in Chicago comes to mind.

Guy D'ageradar 23rd Oct 2009 05:48

I don't believe it was an engine.....not even a puff of dust when it hit the ground. Certainly would be interesting to know what was found on the runway.

White Knight 23rd Oct 2009 06:16

Although Guy it could have fallen behind one of the many sand dunes that grace the desert behind the airport - there may have been a huge puff of dust but out of line of sight...

I'm sure they would have found said object by now anyway.

johnnyramjet 23rd Oct 2009 09:17

Cargo shift
 
On August 7, 1997, Fine Air flight 101, a Cargo DC-8-61F registration # N27UA, en route from Miami to Santo Domingo, in the Dominican Republic, suffered sudden movement of cargo materials in the aft cargo hold while on take off. The aircraft's nose rose steeply due to the sudden uneven weight distribution caused by shifting boxes of denim material that had not been securely fastened.
The pilots, departing out of the former Runway 27R (now 26L) attempted to recover but the aircraft stalled and crashed onto a field adjacent the Miami City Rail Yard less than a mile from the airport.

ironbutt57 23rd Oct 2009 10:40

After further investigation, it was determined the cargo didn't shift on the Arrow Air, but that the pallets were loaded in reverse order, causing the plane to become uncontrollable with the calculated stab setting...

Spoogie 23rd Oct 2009 10:47

S.F.L.Y.
 
While I understand what you are saying...This video we are seeing was recorded in Time Lapse Mode...(e.g....one frame every 2 seconds) so when it is played back in realtime..it seems faster than it really is. It also causes us to miss certain frames which could have key info..like when the object hit the ground...

johnnyramjet 23rd Oct 2009 12:16

Thanks
 
IB57, do you know what the final outcome of the Emery crash in California was. I think it was in 2000. Thanks JRJ

"Sacramento -- Federal investigators said yesterday that they are focusing on the possibility that a DC-8 cargo jet that crashed near here Wednesday, killing all three crew members, had severe problems caused by shifting cargo that threw the four-engine plane out of balance."

ironbutt57 23rd Oct 2009 14:35

The Emery that crashed into the junkyard was caused by disconnection of the servo tab actuator rod due to a bolt being installed the wrong way around, when the nut worked loose and fell free, they were for the most part left with little control of the elevator system, (DC-8 drivers clarify this please)

four engine jock 23rd Oct 2009 14:43

B707
 
Looks like an Engine fell off. number 3 or 4. And she stalled.

fractional 20th Nov 2009 17:48

From The National
The investigation into the fatal crash last month of a Boeing 707 cargo plane has suffered a serious setback after authorities were unable to retrieve information from the aircraft’s flight data recorders.
The two devices, which monitor cockpit conversations and aircraft vital signs, failed to record the jetliner’s final moments before crashing shortly after take-off at Sharjah International Airport, Saif al Suwaidi, the head of the General Civil Aviation Authority (GCAA), said.
Black boxes fail to shed any light on plane crash - The National Newspaper

This being true (???), makes me wonder how many more are flying in/out of the UAE and other parts of the Gulf and elsewhere in similar circumstances, let alone the unairworthiness of the aircraft? ICAO has to stop "recommending" and CivAirs have to become accountable and sanctioned if not following the regs. Too many people are dying because of reckless managements and crews (ground and air).

411A 20th Nov 2009 20:00


Too many people are dying because of reckless managements and crews (ground and air).

One must ask....how many is too many?
Just a few here...out of how many ops from the UAE in the last (for example) year?

Get a grip, fractional...it ain't that bad.:rolleyes:

fractional 21st Nov 2009 09:39


One must ask....how many is too many?
411A, one is too many anyway, anywhere, mainly if the suspicions of this case are confirmed. I hope you are not trying to say this accident was just the a mere and unavoidable accident...:rolleyes:

411A 21st Nov 2009 16:57


I hope you are not trying to say this accident was just the a mere and unavoidable accident...
How do you know it wasn't...specifically?:ugh:

Schibulsky 22nd Nov 2009 02:05

@411A
 
When you watch some aviation fossils climbing out of DXB in summer and barely making it over the airport fence, do you think:

A: thats o.k. probably reduced thrust t/o.
B: I have to get new glasses.
C: some people on PPRuNe will probaby bitch again over this absolute safe operation!
D: no problem, they had some prayers before, inshallah!!
E: all of the above.

:confused:

411A 22nd Nov 2009 04:27

Don't know about your eyesight, Schibulsky, however you might be just slightly rushing to judgement with the concerned 707.
From the info on R&N, the airplane appeared to be not at max weight (unless they were tankering fuel from SHJ, unlikely), the payload was less than normal, the initial climb did not appear to be grazing the airport fence...so, we still don't really know what happened...now do we?:rolleyes:


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