No EK profit share
Probably not much news but heard it said at one of the captain's conf. today. Direct From the horses mouth - No profit share :ouch::ouch:
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No real surprise there, but the way things have been going lately, I wouldn't have been completely surprised to see all staff except pilots get profit share this year.
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Well if ED said we won't get anything, then we will probably get 4 weeks!
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So they have been delaying the end of year report and cooking the books so that we get no bonus..................they could have published the report and given us no bonus on time, why all the delay?
The delay is probably due to EK watching the financial markets, trying to sense the markets feelings! A bonus given due to decent profits (real or virtual) for last year would save some face when compared to the bonuses of Air Arabia, Eithiad, Qatar etc. More importantly I think is that EK publishing a profit sends out a positive signal from Dubai, which needs something positive now. It also sends out positive signals to the people who finance the future aircraft orders. EK not making a profit last year would be worrying for Dubai and Boeing / Airbus. Though I have no inside knowledge and will probably be proved wrong, I think we will get a bonus this year purely because it is important for EK to have made a profit!! Hence they are cooking the books as best the can to make it so!!!! |
But to get the minimum 2 weeks bonus, we would still need to achieve the target set last year. What was it, 1.2billion or something? With the current state of affairs, that's as likely as a sweet smelling fart. :(
However, let's look on the bright side. Hopefully a low target will be set this year and the following happens. 1) The global recession ends as quickly as it started. 2) The dollar continues its decline while revenue increases due to strong foreign currency. 3) The commercial department will hedge correctly on the price of oil ......for a change! 4) ERP will be back! (see point 2 above). The downside is that the usual moaning will start from those poor people who aren't entitled to it. 5) Passengers will also be back. This is because they are now to be referred to as a 'customer' instead of as a 'passenger'. Err........right............. 6) Half of our transport guys at EGHQ will be made redundant because someone will finally work out how to ask the same set of questions only once instead of three seperate times by three different people who all seem to wear the same scruffy unironed blue shirts, often without ties I might add! 7) Catering staff will also be culled because someone will finally realise that none of the pilots eat those soggy sandwiches or manky dried up vegetable sticks. 8) Monthly issue of CD's will stop. They will now be issued a month before a PPC as this is the only time that most people actually bother to look at them. 9) All overnight hotel meal allowances will stop. This will be replaced with all inclusive deals where we can choose anything we like, just as long as it's from the kids menu. This of course would exclude ice cream as this is normally extra. 10) Accommodation costs will be slashed. From now on, all crew will double up on rooms, with the Captain taking first choice as to who he gets to spend the night with. This would not apply in KL where a strict policy of single rooms would be enforced due to a previous abuse of the system. 11) Flight crew will be asked to provide their own laptops for T/O performance calculations. If it works for the DCPB, it sure as hell will for the rest of us. 12) 'World Maps', currently on display in all pilots briefing rooms (thank you for that as I often wondered where Israel was), will be distributed to other departments in the Airline. This may then give them some understanding of distance and time zones. Especially handy when someone from accommodation rings you at 2am in New York to ask you if the roof still leaks! 13) Pilot productivity at home ( how sad is that) could be improved by deleting all corporate comms messages. As much as i'm delighted to hear how our in house cricket team trashed the 'bengal bandits' or how we won the ' Best Middle East Airline to Karachi on a Sunday afternoon' award, I'd much rather spend time reading something that affects my job. Such as what really happened in J'burg, or Melbourne, Accra, Manchester.....etc.....etc. 14) Please stop reminding me that my mailbox is over its limit. If you stopped sending all those bloody corporate messages, it wouldn't be! 15) All pilots in Company transport that pass a SALIK toll will be required to put 4 dhs in a little pot marked 'Share the pain'. If you're fortunate enough to be travelling with a colleague, going dutch will be permitted. Any more .............................a poo brown najam award for the best idea! |
BYMONEK,
I pissed myself laughing reading your post - nice job....scary thing is that is so so so true! As for point #10...can we have that in our contract pleeeeeease? :E |
After reading BYMONEK's post, attempting to get back to treating this matter seriously only with extreme difficulty, (thanks BYMONEK - very droll, and all too accurate, particularly re those awful bloody ruined-by-plasticwrap sandwiches), I too thought we might get a nominal 2 weeks for 'face', just so they could say they'd paid a bonus, even in these hard times.
However, the level of 'low to no expectations' among crews is such that on my last trip, one of the FAs received an SMS from a friend while we were in the crew bus saying that we were getting three weeks bonus. Not one other person among the crew believed it for a moment, not even the fresh-faced Grade 2s. I also heard from a very senior Indian Check Purser who has a friend in the EK finance department that might explain the delay in issuing the annual report. He says that his friend told him that EK delayed paying their fuel bills for the last month of the financial year so they could make it appear that they had still made a profit for the year. If they'd paid the fuel bill on time, the bottom line would not have been black. Of course I can't confirm that, but this is a rumour site. |
Personally I think this tactic of delaying the Profit share announcement is quite immorale, it has been leaked throught the commanders conference forum but still nothing official, without stating the obvious we are all working to earn money, part of our salary is the profit share which is a variable, however most of us all have families, lives and finances to plan.
When you consider that historically the profit share could be up to 20 % of our total income and is always paid in may's salary is it really to much to ask that we at least be told we are not getting one - 5 days before our salary is paid:ugh::ugh: |
Gentlemen, may I suggest you go and have a look at the rules regarding 'Profit Share' payout's in Groupworld.
I can't remember the amount but we require a profit of several (approx 5) billion dhs before anything (2 weeks) is paid out, this will not happen this fiscal year. What people are talking about is a 'present' from the Sheikh, it could be something... or just another hot air rumour. It hardly will endear us to the mis-management when people start whining about planning their finances around a pay out, history has nothing to do with it, there is no way EK will make approx 5bn dhs profit. It's almost as bad as the guy who asked in one of the meetings how he could get more Uniform shirts... jeez:rolleyes: |
Sadly I reckon we'll get jack profit share and I heard from a mate of a mate the main reason the results are being delayed is because EK is planning to change the financial year on which it reports.
That means there is the most almight book cooking session going on to manipulate things. :D:yuk: |
Just confirmed - No profit share this year. :bored:
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Nothing this year. Letter on the portal from da boss man. Only made $408 million USD's, 70% off our profit share target :\:\
EGGW |
Yep, it's official, no profit-share. Since we only made AED 1.49 billion (USD 406 million), instead of the target AED 5 billion (USD 1.3 billion), no way can we share any of that! My goodness, how will they get by on a paltry few hundred million dollars?!
Oh yeah, and the world is collapsing, the sky is falling, companies are collapsing, dogs and cats living together, etc etc etc.....*yawn* Just as expected, back to sleep. Chairman's Office High and unstable fuel prices, slackening demand, currency fluctuations and the grim reality of the global economic meltdown - it all happened in our financial year 2008-2009. A crippling year, by any definition, that tested the Emirates Group to its very limits. While others have been swept away in the maelstrom, the Emirates Group has survived it - but only just. For the financial year 2008-09, we have returned a net profit of AED 1.49 billion (US$406 million), representing a 72 per cent decrease on the previous year's profit and 70 per cent below the group profit share target of AED 5 billion! As your Chairman and colleague, I share your disappointment in not being able to enjoy a bonus this year, but we are woefully short of the target. This is also why we have cancelled the town hall style staff meeting that is traditionally held to celebrate our achievements. While it might seem the fruits of our extraordinary grit and determination, hard work and improved efficiencies will go unrewarded, I would like you to consider this: we have managed to retain everyone, while others are slashing staff numbers; we have dramatically increased travel benefits for you and your extended family; we continue to invest in training and development, albeit in more rational ways; and above all, we have not reduced the quality of our award-winning services, which means we will be in an excellent position to capitalise on increasing demand after the financial storm abates. Departments across the group are working hard to counter the economic crisis. Several have cost-saving measures firmly in place and projects across the organisation are being thoroughly scrutinised. The Secondment Programme has helped relocate colleagues from slower areas of the business to busier departments. The Unpaid Leave policy offers you the opportunity to take up interests or academics and fulfil plans that you probably could not pursue during your annual leave. The rumours about these programmes resulting in redundancy are just that - rumours. Please remember that these programmes, and any others that we decide to implement, are temporary measures to help us tide over the crisis and we will be right back on track soon. What does tomorrow hold for the Emirates Group? Reflecting the global economic meltdown, the airline industry is predicted to lose US$4.7billion (AED 17.3 billion), adding to an industry debt of US$170 billion (AED 624 billion). The Emirates Group will not be immune to this financial meltdown predicted for the industry. Experts have declared this the bleakest economic climate in living memory. Companies are crashing, industries are being wiped out and whole communities are suffering immense hardships around the world. Thirty airlines have gone bankrupt. The bigger challenge, of course, is that in the short-term there seems to be no end in sight. All is not lost, however. Middle East passenger numbers are set to grow by 1.2 per cent, and while overall capacity will increase by 3.8 per cent, we are in the right place, geographically and business-wise, to leverage the predicted growth. In fact, I believe 2009-2010 will be a year of satisfactory growth for the Emirates Group. Our plans remain on track. We do not intend to slow down, but will forge ahead, as we shape our services to meet the ever-changing demands of our clients around the globe. We will be taking delivery of 18 new Boeing 777s and A380s this year, representing a 19.6 per cent increase in capacity measured in available tonne kilometres. This growth in capacity will bring a fresh set of challenges to the group. You might have read my New Year's address in Safar, and the same message holds today. It is imperative that we all work together as one unit, with all hands on deck. We must continue to be flexible in customer service, adapt to the new world travel order, and remain vigilant with costs, without affecting the customer experience. This formula will ensure that despite softening demand, our expanded aircraft fleet continues to grace the skies worldwide, not grounded on the tarmac, and that Dnata proudly flies its 50th anniversary flag this year. Speaking of Dnata, I'm very proud that the company at the very forefront of aviation in Dubai has not just achieved a 22 per cent increase in revenue last year, but has also ramped up its focus on quality, service and safety standards. I have to say though that our bullish business plans stem from my confidence in each one of you. I'm often asked by media to pick the best asset of the Emirates Group from a list of aircraft, facilities and products. My answer has always been 'the incredible people of the Emirates Group'. We need to build a win-win partnership where your loyalty, hard work and creativity are rewarded by the organisation's stability, security and progress, and when the profit share targets are met, with a bonus! Your drive and enthusiasm convinces me that we will emerge from this downturn stronger, fitter and in fine fettle for many more profitable years ahead. And as for the profit share bonus target for next year, to be honest, given the ambiguity and the turmoil in our markets worldwide, it is difficult to compute those numbers just yet. Let the world economy stabilise and we will be in a better position to review and arrive at a target. Thank you for being an extraordinary group of people - around 48,000 now - and for helping the Emirates Group ride the economic storm on its own terms. Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum Chairman & Chief Executive, Emirates Airline & Group |
So, a $406M profit but no pay rise, no "contractual" 3% increment and no profit share.
As the profit (if any) for this year is likely to be a lot less than that next year's May pay packet should be really interesting. Don't know about sharing the pain but I think the worst is yet to come.:hmm: |
I don't know what you ""guys"" were promised during CCs.
All Cabin Crew were assured that there would be NO bonus/Profit share/Payrise, whatever, a couple of months ago during "Business Forums" ! The mainstream during thoses forums was: " If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem ". Reminds me of very dark ages in Europe not such a long time ago. Anyway, Peanuts in May at EK, 10 weeks at SIA. |
Let's take a closer look at the letter from the chairman, shall we...
A crippling year, by any definition, that tested the Emirates Group to its very limits.... others have been swept away in the maelstrom, the Emirates Group has survived it - but only just.... we have returned a net profit of AED 1.49 billion (US$406 million), 70 per cent below the group profit share target of AED 5 billion! As your Chairman and colleague, I share your disappointment in not being able to enjoy a bonus this year... I would like you to consider this: we have managed to retain everyone, while others are slashing staff numbers; we have dramatically increased travel benefits for you and your extended family; we continue to invest in training above all, we have not reduced the quality of our award-winning services, Departments across the group are working hard to counter the economic crisis. Several have cost-saving measures firmly in place and projects across the organisation are being thoroughly scrutinised. The Unpaid Leave policy offers you the opportunity to take up interests or academics and fulfil plans that you probably could not pursue during your annual leave. What does tomorrow hold for the Emirates Group?................I believe 2009-2010 will be a year of satisfactory growth for the Emirates Group. Our plans remain on track. We do not intend to slow down, but will forge ahead...... Imagine..... just IMAGINE, people, what it'll be like if they should ever make a LOSS. We will be taking delivery of 18 new Boeing 777s and A380s this year, representing a 19.6 per cent increase in capacity measured in available tonne kilometres. This growth in capacity will bring a fresh set of challenges to the group. It is imperative that we all work together as one unit, with all hands on deck. Dnata, .........has not just achieved a 22 per cent increase in revenue last year, but has also ramped up its focus on quality, service and safety standards. I have to say though that our bullish business plans stem from my confidence in each one of you. I'm often asked by media to pick the best asset of the Emirates Group from a list of aircraft, facilities and products. My answer has always been 'the incredible people of the Emirates Group'. We need to build a win-win partnership where your loyalty, hard work and creativity are rewarded by the organisation's stability, security and progress, and when the profit share targets are met, with a bonus! Your drive and enthusiasm convinces me that we will emerge from this downturn stronger, fitter and in fine fettle for many more profitable years ahead. And as for the profit share bonus target for next year, to be honest, given the ambiguity and the turmoil in our markets worldwide, it is difficult to compute those numbers just yet. Let the world economy stabilise and we will be in a better position to review and arrive at a target. No disrespect at all to the chairman who in all likelihood didn't even write any of the above but if there's somehow one thing worse than being lied to, bull****ted, penny-pinched, having my contract unilaterally adjusted and on top of it all having my job threatened by my spineless management should I make a mistake....... it's being treated as if I'm a fu.c.king idiot on top of it all. |
BRILLIANT, balls-on deconstruction - first post no less! Keep them coming!
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ERP will be back! (see point 2 above). The downside is that the usual moaning will start from those poor people who aren't entitled to it. |
Idle Retard
Your second post ...
I call it the post of the year!! Keep em coming .... :ok: |
Bymonek ??? 11)
11) Flight crew will be asked to provide their own laptops for T/O performance calculations. If it works for the DCPB, it sure as hell will for the rest of us. This cannot be true!!!!! |
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