EK Overtime
 

Here we go:

Overtime now 92hrs/31days........

Get ready 4 more

where did you read that

thanks

Check your company mail.

It’s pretty obvious that as of our April rosters we'll be rostered up around the 90 hour mark.


I think I'm getting flu'ish, hmmm :ugh:

Nothing in my inbox. Anyone else?

Nothing in mine either...

just checked and not there

Not a damn thing in my box..

Nada.... yet

I got my letter today, but although I'm not happy, I don't think this forum is the one to vent on.

But, what would I know, I'm just a linedriva

Guess it must be in our mailboxes.

Funny thing is was saying to f/o this very morning, sorry middle of the night, that I would not be at all surprised if overtime was scrapped all together when it came round to pay-rise time !! and lo and behold they beat me to it.

Another Najm on its way to flight ops management(:}).

Too tired to work the calculator, but guessing 15-20% pay cut based on 90hr month.:yuk:

Its in your company FC box.

Nice little golden letter.

For the guys that already have the golden letter, when does this new overtime rule come in?
I have an 84 hour this month!

Regards,

Oz

Indeed.......

And before anyone says "But I hardly do any overtime anyway, so it wont really make any difference" (ie Boeing guys), we WILL be working much harder later in the year!

We are still getting 19 A/C over the next 14 months, but are not recruiting enough pilots to cover the deliveries with present productivity levels, so..... The current pilots will just have to work more hours and be more productive (10-20% more), for essentially less money. Simple....... AAR can give himself a big pat on the back for this one!

More productivity from the existing workforce, means less new pilots required, which means fewer Villa's/education allowance/prov fund/crew transport/ALT's etc etc to pay for.

I also fear this is just the start of a very long and horrid road of opportunistic screwing over from the company!:(

Unbelievable, this is where some type of governing body or association would help. An absoulute axe of conditions and work incentive.

There might be a freeze on hiring, but I have a feeling they'll need more doctors.

Didn't get the letter. Can someone give a brief on the contents?

Pro Duct Ivity
 

yes is the thin edge of the wedge...I couldnt follow the logic as when they introduced productivity ( 96) it was around 82 hours, then ( as we got more longer routes etc) it went down to the current figures ( if you all remember the sales pitch on that one?) and now they are saying that more long haul means it has to move the other way?? Seems a back flip to me.

The thing is that they should be moving productivity down not up to get the desired effect. If we were all rostered properly for say 75 hours +/-10 per month x 10 months of avail time that would get them the 750 they are after each, and if productivity kicked in at say 60 or so then we would always be in productivity and as such the 'greed is good' would kick in and there would be less sickness, ,more motivation to do extra time ( used to be called grey days once in another life) , consequently reduce reserve coverage etc.

But no... they didn't see things this way and have gone the other direction... the result is likely to have exactly the opposite effect on what they are trying to achieve.

If the managers used some modern leadership notions - such as adaptive concepts - where those with the problem come up with the solutions then all things could be put on the table and negotiated to arrive at a win - win scenario.

But I digress - there has never been any leadership shown in this Company - very good mangers when it comes to budgets, rules, targets etc but those techniques fail to work when the problem is as undefined as the current climate might suggest.

I wonder how come companies like Southwest manage to operate with 80 employees per jet but we need 150 .. maybe there is around 70/jet unneccesary dead wood in the system and we should do something about that ...not to mention the fact that a country the size of the US has one president and one VP and we have ... hundreds!!

but I forget .. EK is not about efficiency it is about providing employment for a bunch of folks from a sheltered workshop..

If it was about efficiency there are several other major initiatives they could use to increase crew utilisation - like remote rosters, job share, basings etc etc but these are not even considered as the political fall out is too great.

So, sorry AS, give me a break with the logic of long haul requiring higher productivity thresholds... it will work in exact reverse.. but I know you are just the messenger..this comes from much further up the line..... and we know who that is.. and all this after such a nice letter about the latest fog event etc... so much for motivated, keen and engaged workforce.!:ugh:

Well by reckoning the increase from 78 to 92 hours in 31 days is a 15.2% increase. While you can argue that it is not a 15% pay cut :} the reality is that along with the reduced days off the new target for rostering will be 92 hours.
So as well as getting less pay, days off, less chances to do a swap, your fatigue levels are about to go through the roof.
What really frustrates me is how AS, ED and AAH trot out this juvenile simplistic spin on everything, mixed in with a large dose bit of blame shifting.
I mean trying to say that this will save jobs, when they plan to recruit 170 pilots next year is a bit rich to say the least.
So message to our dear management, please stop treating us like IDIOTS, we are quite used to BOHICA, just don't try and convince us that it is something else with your puerile spin

The only sarcastic quote I miss in the letter :

"With the introduction of a higher cutoff point for productivity pay we will have to insert less ADs in your rosters...."

Well there is one bright side to this. I'll have to spend less time in this cr*p hole called Dubai.:yuk:

Shared pain my a** Mr ED.

Just curious what do they pay for overtime over there..thanks

EK Overtime
 

hmmm....well, for those of us who have been here for a year and are still in temporary housing - 2 bedroom apartments with wives and children - this is just another example of EK not honouring the contract that we signed. It'll take only 1 overseas lawsuit to fix this for everyone else - stay tuned !!!!