On leave and not going away for a few days, so a little bored, and I choose to refute information which is bollocks.


No, that's bollocks. My kids go to DESS, which was our first choice (along with JESS) as it is an excellent school. They charge 25500 per year per child. I pay 10% of 15500 each (read your contract!), which is to say 3100 dhs a year- around three DAYS salary, not three months! There are more expensive schools (I believe Rexton is about 40k for primary) and if you want to send kids there, you pay for it (though for two the excess would still be more like one months salary). So, what would you be paying for a comparable school in the UK?

Had a great meal at the Automatic for 35Dhs a head. Try THAT in NY. 5 Star resturants have 5 star prices, same as everywhere.

Did you miss the bit about 40k for a MAJOR? regional guys are earning around 25 as FOS and TOPPING OUT at 50k for Captains! Regional FOs in the US qualify for foodstamps!!

LHR, this place is DEFINATLEY not for everyone. For many coming was a big mistake (seems like you fall into THAT catagory!). People making the decision on whether to come or not deserve accurate information from people who have a variety of points of view. PPRUNE is becoming less and less usful for this as anyone who dare say anything positive or correct blatently inaccurate information is shot down in flames as a management stooge. How about we agree to dis-agree, and you accept there are more than one view on being here?

wizofo

:)

thanks for all the informations, could you kindly give bit in detail how the meal allowence or perdiem works with EK. Is the allowence enough to cove meals while on lay over, amount in AED.
Cheers, Merry X-mas
MP

There is no information that is bullocks.
If Lugano is an American and did have kids ASD, DAA, AIS would all be anywhere from 55,000 AED to 65,000 AED per year per child. At the young age EK only pays 32,000 AED read your contract. That is about 30,000/child you would have to pay and with two kids that is about 3 months salary. I know all about the British schools thank you.
I would not consider the Automatic a 5 star resturant but that is about the extent an EK pilot can afford to dine at. As you say most 5 star resturants are the same price everywhere so that proves my point exactly. In other countries you get paid more so you can afford the higher ended items the 1st world offers.
I agree that there are more than one view point but I want to get the word out that EK so cleverly does not tell an applicant. I have not lied in any posts and I take offence when I point out the obvious which is called bullocks.

middlepath,
overnight allowances are paid in cash in the local currency at the hotel reception. They will cover your costs of eating fine at that hotel or if you step out to the local food places (most destinations), you will have some extra play money. I rarely eat at the hotels, preferring to sample the authenticity of local food, and in doing so have some coin left to bring some nice bottles of red home to Dubai. The majority of cabin crew BYO food and save the money or spend it shopping.
LHR rain,
from my experience, in Dubai, like Singapore, if you want to dine out like a tourist, you will be paying tourist prices for your experience. If you are steet smart you will pay less than many many modern cities for a good 'nose bag full'.

Well, lets test that shall we?

DAA charge 55 944/yr for grades 1 and up. After grade 6 the company contrubution tops out at 50k, so the shortfall would be just over 5. So IF he had two kids between grades 1 and 6 simultaniously, he would be up for 23944 each, for the couple of years until one went to secondary school. So IF this was the senerio, and IF he was an FO the entire time, and IF he only earned base salary (so I guess he isn't flying for three years), he would indeed be up for slightly over two months salary for a maximum of three years, so lets round that up to three months shall we?

No you didn't lie.

Neither did Tony Blair.

What you did do was look for the absolute worst case senario and paint it as the norm.

Wizo

You only have to look at LHR's past posts to realise he's one of the 'grumpy boys'.

We had a meal at Ashers recently, probably one of the top Indians in Dubai. After the 30% EPC, we paid 595 dhs for four. That's for 3 starters, 4 rubys, breads, rice and 10 kingfishers. That's £20 each. I've just come back from NY and paid that for a pizza and 2 cokes!

If you want wine everywhere you go sure it can add up but, food expensive? Nah, it ain't the food that is expensive.

Harry

I was simply pointing out to the American who would send his kids to the American school how much it would cost him. Now I noticed that you picked out the lowest priced American school. Why did you not pick ASD which is 65,000 with a price rise to come next year like most schools in Dubai will do. I will bet you however much you would care to lose that the price hike next year from all the schools will be way more than EK raises it allowances. So we will all be further behind again. More next year than this year. Also you failed to metion in your calculations that EK only pays 90% after the first 10,000 or 15,000 so I am closer than you in the three months estimate.
This is a good thread for you and if you take this into CC or TCAS and show them your hard work I am sure that they will make you a LTC or even a TRI. You are well on your way to a mangement stoge.
We will get the word out about EK and Dubai.

Q.E.D

Ashers...Awsome food!

Where is the balently inaccurate information and who made you Pope of this dump? You did not comment on the school figures because you were the perverer of inaacurate information. If I bothered to check I am sure you have other inaccurate information telling other would be unkowing applicanats how great it is at Dubai. Inaccurate indeed.

So what if LHR is ''one of the grumpy boys'' as you put it? Is this another case of shoot the messenger? Although your attempts at giving school price comparisons suggests you believe in your message and simply do not agree with him. I would be more inclined to take your side had you not stooped to name calling.
I am one of the happy boys but I completely understand LHR's viewpoint.
It just goes to show that this place is great for some and terrible for others. Many factors contribute to this but I have found from experience that these factors are not related to personality but more related to things such as family circumstances, luck wrt upgrades or accomodations and other important factors beyond our control, and very often previous job experiences.
I too have sunk to name calling when I believed that someone had an alterior motive behind their posts. And yes, I have been wrong at times and still feel ashamed at jumping to conclusions. I am the first person to rip into someone who gives a false impression of the 'wonderfulness' of Dubai because I think that might lead people to make decisions that they might regret. On the contrary, when someone portrays Dubai or EK in a bad light, although I may disagree, I don't find that as reprehensible.
I think that at times many of us take out our frustrations on this forum and sometimes it is not exactly accurate. But there are also the vocal few who deliberately mislead readers with the intent....... at least I believe........ of securing their own future here without regard for the well being of those they are misleading. Capt A was a classic example of this but there are many other more subtle examples.
This place and this job can be great for many people. It is a helluva lot better than anything I have been used to in the past...... but beware. Everyone single person who reads these forums to glean information should come to Dubai with their eyes wide open. It can also be a hell for some people who come here.

Up to the limit of 32K primary and 50k secondary, so the shortfall I calculated is accurate.

Mensa, you might note it wasn't me calling anyone a name, but copped "Management stoge (sic)" and "Pope" for my trouble.

You've got it in one you say it suits some and not others, and I said as much up front. As such it is important that points for and against be properly and accuratly portrayed to try and help people make an informed decision. When someone flys into a rant reeling off stupid and inaccurate figures, however, I think it only fitting the record be set straight.

Since I don't have kids the cost of schooling them is a non-starter for me. I could not care less about that issue for myself. I am sorry it doesn't seem to work for everyone, but that could be because not everyone did all the possible research.

That's what I am trying to do - get as many facts and opinions as I can.

In any case, I am glad to see all sides of it, warts and all. Just try to keep it somewhat civil.... :cool:

Point taken Wizo.

So I will ask again wizo where is the bad info? Schools are free in the states and even private schools are considerably cheaper there up to 5X. Not bullocks.
It is cheaper to eat out in the states than Dubai. You notice the expample at Ashers had a 35% discount and still was expensive. Not bullocks.
So where is the inaccurate information?
Yes I called you a management stooge because it seems very clearly to me and others that is the career path you would like. I guess I could be wrong on THAT account.

Oh dear oh dear Lhr,

You really do like to be able to fly off the handle, have a big rant, and not have anyone question you.

Ok....

IF people have a certain number of kids of a certain age and choose to take them from the crumbling free US system and put them in some of the most expensive in Dubai, it COULD concievably be 5 times what they paid in the states, and could even be up to three months wages for a couple of years. This totally justifies your blanket statement that it WILL cost EVERYONE this much.

Eating at an expensive restaurant in Dubai is more expensive that eating in a cheap reataurant in New York. This justifies your statment implying it is hidiously expensive to eat in Dubai and that there are no resnobley priced eateries here.

Anyone who expresses any point of view other than complete missery wants to be the next chief pilot.

Happy?

And I take it you are one of the many who insist that it's better everywhere else, but aren't going anywhere?

Feel free to have the last word, you seem to need it.

wizofoz,
What does "resnobley" mean?. Is it rude? Sounds rude.:ok:

Watchdog

Thanks for the info.
Merry Christmas and Happy New year.
MP:ok:

Goodness me Oz, you have been busy whilst I've been out and congratulations are certainly due on the big 1500 (although of course that doesn't include your alter-ego Queegs postings). But once again you seem to be getting a bit out of hand, as well as wasting away your annual leave.

So, in the interests of transparent reporting it should be said that the opinions of a Direct Entry Captain who has been at Emirates little more than 12 months are unlikely to represent the general mood at EK, particularly when that DEC is a homesick Ozmate employed until recently by a UK LoCost and now happily finding himself in the left seat of a widebody and 8 hours closer to home. Although in fairness some of the negative stuff found here is also unrepresentative.

And Oz, I'm sure that many of your new colleagues, particularly those enduring an extended stay in the right seat due to Emirates DEC program, find your regular commentaries on this forum lacking in sensitivity and consideration, much as I do.

You play the role of sage, but I would describe you as a stooge or a spiv.

I don't blame you for grabbing the DEC opportunity, I do blame you for crowing about your supposed good fortune on PPRuNe.


Merry Xmas to you Oz.


Oh, and "resnobley" presumably comes from the same place as "concievably", "DEFINATLEY", "statment", "hidiously", "missery" etc ad nauseam. The product of a careless mind and/or a backyard education.

Hi Bushy! It means I can't get the spell checker working on my new computer!!

WTF Where have you been? I've been daring to express an opinion (actually just state a few facts)for DAYS now, without you jumping on to (again!!) point out that I'm not entitled to one! Sharpen up man!!

Just what is the qualifying period before I know whether I know anything or not?

Seasons greetings to you and yours!

Good comeback Oz, quite refreshing considering the profanities that you've PMd me in the past.

Opinion? Three to five years as an F/O with Emirates should see you qualified for one rather than your one year as a DEC.