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Voltige 6th Feb 2013 16:25

A 320 line training technical questions
 
Thank you Gncy

It's very kind of you to share these informations.

I hope to use them soon when I get a date of join, hopefully !

Nice flights !

Voltige

jeanpaul172 8th Feb 2013 12:00

NTSO / FTSO
 
Hi guys!

What's the latest on Qatar Airways recruitment?
It has been well over a year since I passed my assesment for the NTSO position with Qatar Airways, no job offer since.
Any news regarding the situation over there? Come on, they're gonna need us at some point, no?! What about the airport, is it on schedule to open in summer 2013? You guys think they will still get back to those that have been in this holding pool for more than 12 months?
Hope to receive some input from you guys!

Take care

Tritzo 8th Feb 2013 12:08

Same here. Waiting since 14 months+ now. As read before, they have more than 100 SO in training. According to that information they wont need any for 2013, only from the aviation college. If that is the case I will have to move on to do something else. I cant afford to spend my good years just sitting around and waiting. And the airline industry back home is not what it used to be.

jeanpaul172 8th Feb 2013 12:47

NTSO / FTSO
 
I heard that too Tritzo, no more SO's (FT/NT) in 2013.
Even for FO's the earliest DOJ's are said to be available in the end of 2013
Well thats one thing, the other thing is.. What will happen to us if we are in that pool for more than 20+ months? Will they still call us..? Isn't it strange to have us come over to Qatar while they haven't seen us for the past 2 years??? A reassesment? Will we just be kicked out of the pool?
Anyone that has a general idea about this.. Please shine your light on the topic:ok:

Paper Lad 8th Feb 2013 16:11

A little bit of info for you : new airport is scheduled to open in stages, beginning in April this year. It's anybody's guess whether it happens or not!

I hear that QR were in Bahrain last week, interviewing a bunch of Gulf Air pilots recently laid off. If its true they will be Airbus type rated and I guess will go straight to the top of the waiting list for a start date.

Rumours suggest that there are a lot of guys still sat around in Doha waiting for a start on the type training, anywhere between 40 and 100 depending who you believe.

Additionally, the 787 troubles has thrown a big, if temporary, spanner in the works.

Probably not the best news if you're sat around waiting for a DOJ but recruitment will continue, just not at the crazy rate recently seen.

I'm unable to give any sort of idea of timeline for NTSO/FO start dates and its impossible to offer advice on whether you should wait or move on.....that depends entirely on your personal circumstances.

PL

disagreeable 9th Feb 2013 06:34

The questions that you ask have been answered already.

Basically NO FTSO/NTSO for 2013 (or at least most of the year). SO's are not generally needed and will be taken from CTC and the school first. You would be a fool if you dont keep persuing other avenues of flying if you can.

At least 100+ SO's and FTSO's awaiting line training! not to mention the FO's that will also get priority that are waiting.

If you are in hold pool, you will be lucky if you get called if you dont have Jet time or rating already. They are really full with trying to get the people here done, so no need to keep inviting people from the "hold pool" that are SO's or not very experienced. (this has been said enough)

Yes, Gulf air pilots coming across.....

FO's are trickling in still but slowly.

Re: Hold pool...... there is a thread for that, Tritzo you started it, so better to post hold pool questions there as this thread is very clogged with "whats happening questions!
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/50...lent-pool.html

SkullFlyer 9th Feb 2013 17:22

New DEC process
 
Does anyone know anything about new DEC assessment ? I had an application last year but I had to do a new one this year, a totally different process in the website. No more filling up, but only CV, documents and licenses attachments.
Haven't hear anything about it since.

casablanca 10th Feb 2013 03:18

I've only been he since January but have already met quite a few second officers
Working here for 6-11 months and some have not flown yet. I met one who had a Qatar ID issue and has been here since last summer without starting training.
Right now they seem to be putting the most importance on Captains.
I have noticed things change rapidly here and you may unexpectedly get a call... But I wouldn't stop looking for other opportunities in the mean time.

volare_737 10th Feb 2013 09:20

Hi all . I see on there career site they are advertising for DEC on the 320. Any idea anybody how long one could expect to wait for a call ( if there is a call ) from filling in the application ?

RK303 11th Feb 2013 08:42

Dear Disagreeable, QR pilots and others

Just to help you understand the situation of those SOs crying everyday to seek informations regarding their DOJ. The other airline hiring SOs is CX, after you trained you have to cruise during 4-5years to serve coffee and help the crew to sleep before you become FO while being paid crap. So for the 100+ SOs in Doha and those waiting their DOJ since 1 year now it is still OK taking into account the upgrade is faster with QR. But at least with CX, when your interview is over youre informed if it was Ok or not and when you join. What I mean is it is useless to talk to them like there are many options everywhere.

@Disagreeable.Youre not helping at all so better to say nothing. They will prefer you, in your actual position, to go knoc the door of the HR with the same energy you used to write your posts, to ask them to clarify the situation of each SOs with official e-mails. If they had time to interview so nicely so many people, they have time to state clearly who will be hire or not and youll not see people staying here desperately.


I have noticed things change rapidly here and you may unexpectedly get a call... But I wouldn't stop looking for other opportunities in the mean time.
Everytime youll give hope to those waiting, theyll wait. If you want people to go to do something else instead of waiting desperately, tell them clearly what they expected is dead, officially. Then theyll move. You can humiliate, make them poor, say they are dirty, scam, campers or idiots to wait, they will stay by the time there is hope.

Just to remind you that all the poor SOs in the pool waiting are young guys looking QR as a dream airline to start, wanting to fly the jets with you QR pilots. If they dont deserve attention by their experience, they deserve minimum respect for the way they look at you and the job youre doing.

Im a simple follower of this thread but astonished to see that things cant be done nicer for such respectable airline.

samca 11th Feb 2013 10:49

They have change the recruitment web page. I dont see how to register my details at least you are applying for a current job as captain.

PT6Driver 11th Feb 2013 20:32

With all the recent posts apearing to centre around SO's etc what is the situation for FO's. The site just has DEC positions any ideas on when FO recruitment will begin?

Boeing007 11th Feb 2013 20:47

Situation Qatar
 
A guy I talked to has been told the first possible date of joining for FO's is after september 2013. That's the situation. FTSO / NTSO are normally not considered in 2013 anymore. A good friend of mine, FTSO joined in february 2012.. He's still in our home country awaiting his training.. I think FO's / SO's will not be interviewed anymore for the coming time..

migair54 12th Feb 2013 07:30

I dont think they will make interviews for SO or FO soon, they have 250 pilots in the talent pool plus pilots already having house, salary and rating and on ground waiting for instructors to train them... so i think we wont see any interview for FO or SO during this year.

I know they have called some people in the pool to start training and rating, even some of them wrote here, but im not sure how long will it take to empty the pool. Ive been told that now in March and April they will speed up a bit, if the B787 and NDIA at least fix the problems.

I know some people is getting nervous, but I dont think we can do much, i know 2 guys from the pool that directly found something else and in the email they got in December to update the hours they didnt even reply, so I think they will be consider a No go for QR, and they are not the only ones...

Lets see what happen.

by the way, anyone can share some light on the plane delivery with QR, A320, A330, B787 and B777??

disagreeable 12th Feb 2013 08:58

There will be no sugar coating.
 

RK303:
The other airline hiring SOs is CX, after you trained you have to cruise during 4-5years to serve coffee and help the crew to sleep before you become FO while being paid crap.....So for the 100+

SOs in Doha and those waiting their DOJ since 1 year now it is still OK taking into account the upgrade is faster with QR
WRONG. I know at least 4 SO's in CX and a few FO's and the odd Cpt.

Yes, CX contracts tend to fluctuate in richness as time marches on, but is in NO WAY worse pay than it is is to be a QR SO; You said it yourself, CX are organised and communicate, something QR does not do well at all.

Now as a CX SO you DONT serve coffee, you DONT get treated badly, you DO get around 18 - 20 days off a month and about 65k - 75k USD for the privilege, all on a Widebody!
Not bad for a low houred unemployed jet pilot wanna-be who is apparently struggling financially and/or career wise, in a company you could stay in long term;
If you knocked back an offer with CX waiting for QR,then you deserve no sympathy.

Currently, CX SO's are upgrading to FO in 3years or less. One I know is just under 2 years.

Yes I agree, the upgrade is faster at QR, but only if they decide to train you quickly! 18 months to get trained at QR (50% - 70% of your SO time at CX done already!)


RK303:
What I mean is it is useless to talk to them like there are many options everywhere.
HA, please read my previous posts and read between the lines.

Are you saying that Jet jobs are the only jobs worth having when your a low houred pilot? LOL, listen, if you are low hour pilot/no jet exp, then sitting around and not trying to find suitable flying work because your waiting for a jet job, then go right ahead and waste your life in vain/hope.

Yes times are tough, agreed, but that should not stop you looking and applying for other flying jobs.


RK303:
@Disagreeable.Youre not helping at all so better to say nothing.
Your advice of not posting true information because its not "helping to be hopeful" is ridiculous. In fact, its comments and suggestions like this that is actually "not helpful" by trying to skew the information flow here!


RK303:
They will prefer you, in your actual position, to go knoc the door of the HR with the same energy you used to write your posts, to ask them to clarify the situation of each SOs with official e-mails. If they had time to interview so nicely so many people, they have time to state clearly who will be hire or not and youll not see people staying here desperately.
This has been done RK303, some people are helping only there friends get in.... I have pushed for the emails to be sent, but they dont do it... why dont they? (is it sinking in yet?)
So please dont bad mouth me or anyone else taking the time to post whats happening (regardless whether you like the info or not), take a deep breath and read between the lines!
There is only so much one can do.


RK303:

I have noticed things change rapidly here and you may unexpectedly get a call... But I wouldn't stop looking for other opportunities in the mean time.
Everytime youll give hope to those waiting, theyll wait. If you want people to go to do something else instead of waiting desperately, tell them clearly what they expected is dead, officially.

Then theyll move. You can humiliate, make them poor, say they are dirty, scam, campers or idiots to wait, they will stay by the time there is hope.

Don't put words in my mouth and then call me out on it; I never humiliated anyone or called anyone 'scam' or 'dirty'...etc!
:ugh: I will however, put you back in your place if you try to misdirect what I say.... like this instance.

agreed, false hope is draining. QR HR are well aware of this and this is all for their benefit.. Just because you are in the hold pool, does not mean they are obligated to you. How many times do I and others need to point out that QR are not overly sympathetic to you, especially to those in the hold pool.

If they need you, they will hire you. until then, if you have nothing to really offer other than another warm body in a uniform, then you will be waiting. simple. no fluff. no hope given. dry your :{ eyes and keep marching on.


Im .....astonished to see that things cant be done nicer for such respectable airline.
Alot of people in QR and obviously those waiting know this, and much of information has been posted about the 2 star airline treatment of crew.


RK303, my information, which, has been accurate, re. hiring practices is not meant to be hopeful sugar coated meaningless pprune drivel.... its an informed opinion, more informed than most here.


if you or others want to stay in your dreamy world of aviation jet job hope then fine, stay there if your belly is full or if your living with your parents, then all good to keep hanging on for QR.

But, if your struggling with $$ or have other responsibilities, you would be a fool to not be looking for other opportunities in the mean time, and then I if you get a QR offer, then join if you have nothing better on offer.

I have mentioned about the hiring of SO's, FO's for the next 6 - 8 months, of which others have then posted "friends" information saying the same thing!

So get it through your head, I have information, I share it when I can, I help out behind the scenes when I can, and the rest of your life/career is up to you. Dont waste it on "illusions".

Good luck all. :ok:

QatarAirway 12th Feb 2013 09:30

Just to give you guys some insight from a current SO.
Training as you guys know IS very slow. There is no communication with what is going on and when our training should resume.
I would have no problem with the wait as I understand that there is no training capacity, however I would have appreciated some communication, updates, an appology perhaps, but hey..

What disagreeable says is all true. Though harsh, he isn't a hater of QR, everything he says is true, but it is all how you deal with it.
I know guys that sit and bitch about what has been going on for the past few months and just complain, others that are happy they are getting paid, enjoying their time off, studying, and just taking it easy.

I may have not been here for as long as disagreeable, but I have enough friends to know that QR is not all horrible, nor all amazing. It is a matter of how open minded you are, how much you are willing to adapt to, and most importantly it is just a place to work, for a lot of people, a transit destination if you will..
Having said this, there are ALOT of guys who have been here 5 years + and don't intend to go anywhere..

In regards to training, I have some friends who are finally flying quite a bit this month, 10+ flights, after months of being home, which indicates that things SHOULD be getting better for those that have been here longer..
Whether FTSOs get priority over NTSOs that have joined much before them is still debatable..

I am happy to reply to any questions..

captain.weird 12th Feb 2013 12:11

@QatarAirway

When did you have your interview with QR and the DOJ letter? When did you actually join QR? Which fleet are you flying on? Did you join as a NTSO?

QatarAirway 12th Feb 2013 14:23

captain.weird

Joined begining of 2012. A320, NTSO.
Time between application and interview was 6 months.
Between Interview and DOJ letter was another 6 months.
Joined 3 weeks later.

jeanpaul172 12th Feb 2013 14:30

NTSO
 
@Migair

The december update didn't ask us to update hour information, did it??
Were some guys sent a request to update their hours?

@QatarAirway

Any chance they will hire foreign NTSO's out of the holding pool in the future? It seems now that by the time the hiring will pick up I will be in the holding pool for more than 1,5 years! :(

RK303 12th Feb 2013 18:55


Yes, CX contracts tend to fluctuate in richness as time marches on, but is in NO WAY worse pay than it is is to be a QR SO
To be more accurate, we need to go deeper with the cost of life in Honk-Kong wich I think is one of the highest in the world, even worst regarding accomodations. PLUS, a specific training loan is subscribe by the SOs in HKG when they start.Any failure, youre dead.
Im not not sure about that but Ive also heard foreign SO are not allow to buy appartments in HKG before 9 years or something after their DOJ. Taking into account SOs are clearly stuck and force to live in HKG due to the nature of their contract and licences at the end of their training. Basically better to start there before you reach 25years old.


Now as a CX SO you DONT serve coffee
This is the case on the Cargo fleet but Ok I exaggerated things here lol. But more seriously, in CX SOs are mostly used on long haul for crewing economy, CX use them smartly during many years to cruise the aircraft while the crew go to sleep as they are cheaper. A big difference when QR want them to be upgrade quickly to FO.


Don't put words in my mouth and then call me out on it; I never humiliated anyone or called anyone 'scam' or 'dirty'...etc! I will however, put you back in your place if you try to misdirect what I say.... like this instance.
The Second officer thread have been strangly deleted. I have in memory few words of your last post there but anyway I cant recall it so my mistake if there were any misinterpretation.

Good luck to the SOs in Doha or those still waiting their DOJ if it happen. I dont see any benefit for QR to send you updates then not hire youbut if that No SO in 2013 info is correct they should at least send you a game over e-mail with apologies...


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