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old747man 18th Feb 2008 19:45

Give Money If You Want To.
Lets Not Try To Find Out, Who Wrote What And Why On The Memo,to Donate Some Money.
Atleast The Intention Was Good To Help The Family.
If You Feel Like Giving Some Riyals Good , Dont Feel Like Its Every Ones Personal Choice .
There Was A 300 Captain Dideir Cruremberg Who Passed Away At The Same Time As Renato Pls Pray That They Both Rest In Peace .
Lets Not Make Pprune Threads To Discuss Their Financial Status.

Qatari515 18th Feb 2008 20:18

Whohow NA...

easy on the heavy stuff mate.

let people decide for themselves, not everybody has known renato.

not all pilots have a 50000+ salary!

in short...everybody should decide himself if they want to contribute, and how much!

And maybe we should do something for didier as well...

papyjo 19th Feb 2008 08:37

tomuchwork you re my man:ok:

CEO PITA 19th Feb 2008 13:43

Yea naw with new CEO s idea of reducing salary and new CT with his 5 y to upgrade better save money guys !

Qatari515 19th Feb 2008 14:31

New CEO....

New ideas......

Salary decrease.....

5Y to upgrade.....

Man man man.....did I pass out that long??????


Smirnoff N21 19th Feb 2008 14:56

Get properly insured by the company wouldn't that be an ideal situation?
I guess after we sorted out all the others pending issues.......

Who can blame the guys for not being highly motivated or company minded since force is main drive.... We are in a highly sensitive environment here and many guys and sometimes wrong words can be detrimental. Let's just take the fuel issue it's not the idea of collaborative decision making process but the wording which set off the uneasiness. Apart from the legal situation, which is cristal clear "the commander takes the final decision" I'm inclined to believe that the intention behind the notice was to prompt the commercial awareness in regards to fuel costs.
Not all the possible measures have being actually introduced yet. There's much more we can do to save the fuel. Though without pilots willing to help the company NOT A CHANCE.

Force is never going to work gents only persuasion and motivation.

QTR 515 has nailed it pretty much.

Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!:ok:

loc22550 21st Feb 2008 16:18

You were talking about 15000 U$ as 9 years gratuity paid to the family of Renato....??? :\they must be a serious mistake in the calculation ...!!!!if we are talking about the same gratuity,as far as i known after 5 years of service , gratuity equals 4 weeks of your latest basic salary/year of service...
(qatari law).

shneidertrophy 22nd Feb 2008 09:49

Loc 22550.

Do the math yourself and see…

Qatari labor law demands 75% of your last basic salary to be paid as gratuity, per year of seniority you have within the company. This adds up to 3 weeks basic salary per year of service.

Renato was on the old system of 4 weeks basic salary per year of service.. His salary basic at least was around 28000QR times 9 = 252000 qr = ……..(even more)

Off course whatever amount he owned the bank would be deducted from this, and he just bought another appartement back home...


A330_300 24th Feb 2008 08:37





Jo Banana 24th Feb 2008 09:16

Oh Cooool!!!! When was this anounced?:ooh:

loc22550 24th Feb 2008 11:19

Cool down jobanana... it seems that AAB(or 330-300) does not have the same calendar as us...if you have to wait till the 30th of february ... you better be patient...:\

Jo Banana 24th Feb 2008 12:27

:{:{..thanks LOC

papyjo 24th Feb 2008 20:44

LOC It was a joke!!!

Spirit1 25th Feb 2008 02:54

I am sitting here long away from the dusty town of Doha.:)
Having a few question to the management of this lovely company.

First of all why did U lie to me and many other during the interview?
Why is three years now five years?
Howe come that non of the CP are talking the pilots case?
Why are U recruiting DEC on 330. Knowing that the he been flying B737 the last 15th years and has no flying experience outside India. And on top of that only have 3-5 years left in this business.:ugh:
Knowing that the inflation is crazy and that the riyal has hit the button. Why no pay rise?
Are U all just so afraid of the CEO that common sense is no issue:confused:

For me jumping ship is defiantly a possibility and I will not feel sorry.
Five star :mad:

loc22550 25th Feb 2008 04:17

Papyjo..thanks for your remark...but even without your advice, i noticed it was a joke..:hmm:
Spirit well i think Q.A. is recruiting whatever they can recruit...(able to recruit..)..They probably have to recruit DEC 330(non rated) just to make think a little bit more attractive for those guys, otherwise they will never come to Q.A...

Look what happen with DEC777...i may be wrong but i think the expectation of Q.A was a little bit to high.. a lot of cpt(777 rated) turned down their application and decided to go somewhere else..(Jet Airways for example..)..
And so And so.....

P.S.: even Air Arabia wich is a low cost company has decided to offer a nice Bonus to their employees..:ok: At least they known how to motivate their crews..not like Q.A....

hairy plotter 25th Feb 2008 07:55

Spirit1 in case you haven't noticed yet it's Indian run company. In case you haven't been to India it's weirdest country.
Qatari+Indian is perfect combination first one is willing to buy everything the latest are ready to sell. That's the way it works here.
No one gives a [email protected] about the rest.
As for the management they are just puppets without any kind of decision power moreover to keep their seats they have to comply with any none poppycock coming from QR tower.
Put it in plain language you are the last one any of them is worried about.

chainsaw 25th Feb 2008 08:35

Common sense or lack of it?
Spirit 1

Are U all just so afraid of the CEO that common sense is no issue
Perhaps it would be a bit more accurate if you'd said that no common sense by the CEO (ie LACK OF) is making people afraid, and that's perhaps the issue? :E

CEO PITA 26th Feb 2008 04:11

I was told today by member of royal familly that CEOs days are counted and he will be terminated as he terminated many pilots and crew and maybe even more ....
When he is out salary increase and orange juce and laban will be given to every pilot in dispetch before taking fuel so a pilot will have full stomack and take less fuel and airline will save a lot .

I had a dream that in late 2008 my capt aske to clean a cockpit windows and maintainance told us ok and call on Motorola : Akbar Akbar jaldi jaldi window cleaning on 330 at E9 . There he was small and skinny in blue with a wet tissue and wipe it really good.
I forgot the rest i think he fall down or so but i remember window was ok .

A330_300 26th Feb 2008 05:32

"dream On"

loc22550 27th Feb 2008 04:55

Here we are ..a new LOW record for the U$ and so the Qatari riyal 1:ugh:v/S Euros..:ouch::
1 euro=1,5U$, But guess it´s not better v/s other currencies.....another consequence:this is just gone put the inflation higher and higher as well.....!!!

Really do you think our "5 stars" management will do something immediatly(salary wise), before it´s too late....???Even the meal allowance has not been adapted for this problem...Amazing!!!

Smirnoff N21 27th Feb 2008 15:27

Even maestro Greenspan is crying out loud to the ME central banks drop the peg to US & that's something..............
Guess what's the response from ME- UNLIKELY TO HAPPEN SOON:ugh::ugh::ugh:
Right, let me see instead of doing it the way it's proven to be the most efficient one NO NO NO they will forbid the business to import from EU and push them to buy from China.
So guys prepare to drop the paints you'll get diarrhoea from fake Chinese beef. Flash it with lots of holy water. Let it burn till nothing to digest.
This is on statuary level what the hell to expect on company one?
We will let 2 bed once stay empty cause senior folks don't want it and pay housing allowances on top. No problems QR is proud to waste money.
How about QR gives us double housing allowance which it effectively pays so we can rent a little tiny villa in the west bay? The cash is gone anyway.
Wait a sec I'm wrong, some of you will say, we do packs off take offs and flap 3 landing nowadays thus we do save money.
Anyhow I rest my case as far as brainpower and efficiency concerns.

Please do park a little closer along the tech building so that everyone can fit in. I rephrase don't leave a gap of half size of your car please. Thanks.

Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!:ok:

Smirnoff N21 27th Feb 2008 15:42

thought it might actually help
Por favor, faça parque um pouco mais ao longo da tecnologia edifício, para que todos possam caber Pol. I rephrase não deixar um vazio de metade tamanho do seu carro, por favor. Obrigado.


Por favor, un poco más cerca del parque a lo largo de la tecnología de la construcción a fin de que todos puedan encajar pulg I reformular no dejar un vacío de la mitad de tamaño de su vehículo por favor. Gracias.

S’il vous plaît jusqu'au parc un peu plus long de la technologie de construction de sorte que chacun puisse fit in reformuler je ne laissez pas un vide de la moitié de la taille de votre voiture s’il vous plaît. Merci.

فافعل بارك قليلا اوثق طول تقنيه بناء بحيث ان كل فرد يمكنه ان يصلح فيها تعاد صياغه انا لا يت
ثغرة من نصف حجم سيارتك الرجاء. شكرا.

Please bear with google.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!:ok:

loc22550 27th Feb 2008 16:47

...Smirnoff ..you forgot the chinese version....!:ouch:

NoJoke 27th Feb 2008 17:05

Yinton diddle I poow

Cpt. off the hook 28th Feb 2008 17:45

IAH flights announced
IAH flight has being announced recently something like QR proudly announces launch of IAH flight none stop longest flight ever to compete with SQ on the route to JFK. The flight is predicted to go for 17 hours. Out of curiosity how is that possible DT wise? I presume the layover will be 24 hrs like EK goog luck to 777 drivers. What a nightmare if you ask me, jeez:yuk::yuk::yuk:
They pretend 777 is gonna be a premiere league, makes me laugh.
Forget it boys take your lazy Qatari boys and their maids. :D:D:D

CEO PITA 28th Feb 2008 19:59

Salary is only thing am here for !

loc22550 29th Feb 2008 07:51

It´s good to think about new flight and routes..but for that.. you need crew.. and if this company doesn´t think about doing something about salary problem(inflation,currencies..)..i doubt people will be willing to come here to work, plus the ones who are going to resign in the near future for the same problem..:uhoh:

Deutscher 29th Feb 2008 13:20

I had to justify 500kgs of fuel the other night. The attitude of the dispatcher was one of "I make your fuel decision for you!!". Looks like I'll be grazing on the "greener grass" on the other side of the fence as well in the near future.

Cpt. off the hook 29th Feb 2008 19:06

same same
same same captain. Don't care what this kids wet behind the ears are trying to achieve. Fuel is mine and it stays so. Feel with the dispatchers. They've being brainwashed by this jerks believe they decide upon how much to uplift. Guys you fall short of even 100 kg divert let this kids bite the dust. :=

Spirit1 1st Mar 2008 06:54

Dear mom
Doha 1st of march 2008
Dear mom

I know it was my choice to join the international workforce in this dusty dynasty.
People here think I am very rich and every month they want more and more of my money. :uhoh:
My manager says he doesn’t give a shit and he will not give me more money. I can just go home if I don’t like the bakery. However, before going home I have to pay back all the money he thinks I own him.:{
Please mom sends me some money otherwise; I will never get out of this jail.
Tell dad that I will pay him back when he is very old.


CEO PITA 2nd Mar 2008 00:14

Dad told you to take big loan and jumpship .

Qatari515 2nd Mar 2008 18:37

Dear mom and dad.......
Spirit1 ,

that must be one of the funiest posts I have seen here in a long time....

Unfortunately it is the harsh reality, the unconvenient truth of living and working for QR.

As a matter of fact, I might just use your letter as a template to send my folks....:ugh:

CEO PITA 7th Mar 2008 03:36

Bad news
New memo is out : management change . OOOPS
Its nice to see it but only change am waiting for is a memo which will say : CEO AAB was terminated early morning and sent with HYD flight to his hometown where police will hold him for the rest of his life .He will be given to listen QR entertaiment music 12 h a day .
Mr Salia Karayanake is arrested in Doha and will serve as F2 for 25 y in local jail.
There is change in OM part A : orange juce is approved ,dates ,laban,and pilot can approve cockpit jump seat for a cabin crew and cabin crew are alowed to enter cockpit like in any other normal airline.
More changes will be done in part A and new memo will be issued.
New CEO : A .J

salamalikum2 7th Mar 2008 06:22

ooops today 1 euro=1.54 U$....:ugh::ugh:

loc22550 12th Mar 2008 07:19

""breaking news:)""..or just "carrot and stick politic:(""


Qatari515 12th Mar 2008 10:17

Re-evluate ....maybe!


The love hate relationship between this region and uncle sam is too solid for that! Remember that in case of Qatar their whole defense system is provided by the Americans ( besides the small part of the French with 7 Mirages and some other things).

Besides that, somebody brought up the fact in one of the EK treads that those in power of countries like Qatar do not really care if there is inflation or not, they do not care about dollar-euro exchange rates as their assetts are all very well protected outside the country!

So they rather keep a good political relationship with the states iso stepping on their toes just to deal with inflation and purchasing powers of the labourers ( YES, YOU AND ME AS WELL)

Lets wait and see...

loc22550 13th Mar 2008 07:36

Good guess Qatari515.....they were just playing with our b....:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Revaluate: NO!!!
Depeg with dollar : NO!!!
In the news todaÿ:

""Qatar has NO intention to revaluate its currenecy or Delink it with the U$ dollar central bank announced...countrary to some news printed yesterday in some press.......":ugh:
I´m a little "worried" about the future of Qatar Airways(and Qatar) if the management continue to deny this MAJOR problem...what do they think..that people are gone continue to stay or come here if situation continues to deteriorate like that....no way!
OOPS in the mean time Qatari riyal has plunged to a new low record following his fellow friend:the U$.....

Black Stain 13th Mar 2008 21:10

A different prickly money question
Would anyone care to comment about the profitability of investment with the Doha Securities Exchange?

What percentage stock appreciation since the market opened to foreigners?
Have many foreign investors lost money?
Have many Qatari investors lost money?

Smirnoff N21 14th Mar 2008 07:02

DSM woudn't touch it.
B.S. heard a lot of folks lost whole lot of cash.
Don't think it's over yet. There's lots of issues to consider but the main one is non-transparent rules. In other words the market is controlled by few cash loaded folks and brokers will keep your orders on hold simple cause you're a small fish. Long term wouldn't touch it either. You're better off trading on NYC emerging markets ETF's containing among the others ME companies.
Same fate will befall the property market as the prices are totally blown up by speculative money locals pulled out of DSM and pumped into Pearl of Qatar.

Don't take personally take it on the rocks!!!:ok:

A300Man 14th Mar 2008 08:21

Quoting CEO PITA:

New memo is out : management change . OOOPS
Its nice to see it but only change am waiting for is a memo which will say : CEO AAB was terminated early morning and sent with HYD flight to his hometown where police will hold him for the rest of his life .He will be given to listen QR entertaiment music 12 h a day .
Mr Salia Karayanake is arrested in Doha and will serve as F2 for 25 y in local jail.
There is change in OM part A : orange juce is approved ,dates ,laban,and pilot can approve cockpit jump seat for a cabin crew and cabin crew are alowed to enter cockpit like in any other normal airline.
More changes will be done in part A and new memo will be issued.
New CEO : A .J


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