EK new minimum TT requirement
 

Hello Guys! I heard that Emirates is considering reducing the minimum requirement of 4000 total time. Does anyone know if it is true?
There are a bunch of F/Os here in GF on 767 and 320 that could apply if it drops to 3500 hours.

Cheers

As the head of training said at a training meeting last year, "I need pilots, not astronauts", say no more!

I have heard the lowering of min requirements is being resisted from higher echelons, despite pleas from Recruitment.

It's real simple. Put some real meat into the pay and you will get all the pilots you need. Ah, but cheaper to just lower the mins.:bored:

Im sure youll see the mins lowered before a payrise!!

This hours thing ... I wonder where the bosses draw these minimums from.
Today's CRM freaks state that pilots shouldn't "dig" into their past experiences when solving a problem; therefore, it doesn't matter if a pilot is hired with 200 hours, since he doesn't need experience.
Even when airplanes were technologically "rougher," total times required were relatively less (EK had a minimum requirement of 2,500 hrs sixteen years ago).
So, they could comfortably hire pilots with a thousand hours in twin engines. Training would do the rest.

Ahh but the piston 200 hr new hire would not get the jet command in 3 years then (as promised in recruitment). So, take in low time pilots and promote all existing F/O's and no DEC's. That the plan?

EK's min requirements are significantly higher than most major carriers already. I have 3500 TT and 1000 hrs jet time(A320) , that means I could apply to BA, + every other jet operator in the UK (except virgin who require 1500 hrs jet), EY, QR, + any other ME airline, CX, KA - basically anywhere EXCEPT EK (who require 2000 hrs jet). And 1500 hrs turboprop doesn't mean alot, thats a prop driven by a jet - but you wouldn't expect HR to know that!

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The Middle Eastern Airlines are very very stupid to have such high hiring standards. THAT IS WHY THEY NEED PILOTS. We all started either on a Piper or C-172 and worked our way up the ladder to DASH8 or RJ or even B737/A320 but still they will not hire the pilots who have a lot of hours on a DASH8, they say it is not a jet aeroplane, TOTAL TOTAL TOTAL B.S.
A Dash8 or ATR is powered by a Turbine Engine but only the output power is reduced by a Reduction Gear Box to spin the Prop for efficiency.
If a company needs pilots in a hurry, allow all different qualified pilots to come to an interview. Spend some money on your pilots for training and make them better.

Your 2nd rant about hiring minima's in the ME in as many days bro. Quit sprouting BS & you'll find yourself taken a little more seriously. Companies have hiring minimums that are being reduced to levels previously unthought of - to reduce these minmums any further will court disaster. 4HP

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4HP, no disrespect to anyone, however how does your theory work with regards to cadet programs? Are you trying to say that all cadet programs that have ever run worldwide are unsafe? This is how a LOT of very senior pilots flying in EK, EY and AA got their start. Why spoil it for the next generation?

The first officer that ran a perfectly good airplane (gulf air 072) into the water was a cadet with 200 hours on type.

C100

It was the local Captain who ran it into the water, not the F/O. He was just along for the ride.

CI100 I sugest you read the 072 accident report again.

My previous point was not to suggest there is anything wrong with Emirates high requirements, just to emphasise that with my present experience I can apply to nearly every airline out there but not Emirates, a company expanding faster than most airlines.

It was the local Captain who ran it into the water, not the F/O. He was just along for the ride.


My exact point, If the F/O was not a 200 hoursy cadet, and had some (much more) exp....he would of take the control and save himself along with full plane of passengers.

anyway this thread is not about 072......

and for your information I know about the report inside out, watched videos and listened to the types regarding the crash. Just finished a full day CRM course on it too.

I wonder if statistically more experienced pilots stay in the company longer, instead of the low time hour-building staff. They could be looking for the type of pilot that will see out the rest of their days in EK. Maybe thats why hiring minimums are higher?

YEah but from what im told, who wants to live in India when you could live in Dubai!

shagtastic,

At the moment there are more than 10000 Indian student pilots only in India. The FO seats will be taken by locals.

Hi!

As of 2 months ago, India needed 11,000 airline pilots in the next 3 years. In 2006 they trained 150 in India. Also, the flight schools in India are in trouble as many of their Flight Instructors are leaving for airline jobs, with no replacements available. We (US small airline) were recruiting a 1000TT guy, who got an DEC CRJ job in India paying $100K USD per year.

China needs 9000 in the next 3 years. They currently train 1000/year.

cliff
KYIP

Recently got an EK invite for an interview. I fly to DXB every so often (freight)...so I have a good feel for the place. It's ok...but seems expensive for everyday items (food, cloths, cars etc).

Things concerning me about EK are:

1. I heard crews are getting only 8 DAYS OFF PER MONTH!!!
2. Inflation and the real value of local currency to the USD and Euro. Seems like many are leaving and going back to Europe because they are getting an instant pay cut because of the strong Euro.
3. Latest info on EK salaries? Is airlinepilotcentral.com accurate? If it is...that's a pretty low salary for living in Dubai with a family.

stereo

ATPcliff,

Regarding India flying growth...I don't think India can handle much more growth...if they do, there is going to be some serious accidents. They need new airports and ATC is extremely understaffed. Going into Mumbai is a nightmare...I've never heard controllers more stressed out in my life and seen so many errors...thank god for TCAS...you need it all the time in India.

I know a couple of expats over there and they are making great money but flying 6 days per week with 200 hr F/O's in the right seat. They want out. There are easier ways to make a living...(UPS, Fed-Ex, SWA).