Emirates. Decision on F/O Position.
 

I am asking for help here. mainly from 3rd year F/Os !
I am presently making a decision to join or not to join ?

One huge attraction was F/O to Capt in 3 years . I have been assured this will Not be the case shortly .It really is affecting the way I am viewing the company and I would appreciate any candid answers at this point.
- Is the training good.

With no policy on Direct Entry Captains is it realistic to believe they will only take the 100 captains as previously mentioned in other posts .OR .;is there a pilot agreement in place .( It has been my experience that this can be the single biggest problem for morale and CRM in an airline );F/O s tend to leap to the next best possibility A.S.A.P.There is always a resentment factor as well.

Can you seriously get by on F/O pay living as a family of 4 in Dubai..on emirates f/o pay ?

Is inflation and cost of living really that bad ?

Can someboby please give me an honest idea of the average F/O take home paycheck; for Airbus and Boeing and is it pretty much the same pay on both types monthly .

Feel free to PM me if you would rather not post here.

Thank you to anyone that has the time.

Check your PMs

F/o to Capt is already beyond three years for the Airbus, soon same for 777.

They will take, and been confirmed to me in person,they will take as many DEC's as they can get hold of. Normal commands are being delayed to facilitate DEC's.
The only agreement in place is for us to do as we are told or leave.
Many are taking this option.

DEC's were sold to us a short term measure, and no-one would be disadvantaged..yeah right....

If you join now you will be number 1650 (ish) on the list , we have 90 planes. Our fleet is scheduled to double in size by 2012. Some 6 years from now, I think if would be safe to assume that over the next few years DEC recruitment will continue at the same pace as it has over the last 3..ie same amount of DEC as upgrade....So if you join now your command will be, well ,how long is a very long piece of string?? 6 years would not be unrealistic,not likely to be shorter, probably longer.

As for the training department, well ,we some wonderful examiners.

F/o salary...well each to his own, you will be able to survive, just ,if you never go out, don't' enjoy any hobbies or pastimes and really enjoy noodles..:)

Dubai itself is not a pleasant place to reside. Main problems are traffic, inflation, weather, customer service , unfairly weighted system of law, just ask the poor Brit who is in Jail for knocking someone down on the Highway,,who wait for,,ran out in front of him ..WTF,, the list goes on..

My advice...Run like the wind..in the other direction..

Relaxed Redback

If you're unemployed, then it is employment. If you're jumping from an airline because of the command and glitzy lights then youre making a big mistake. There is no policy because the planning is so bad, DEC empoyment has its advantages - only to the DEC and the company, not to those who seek a career.

If you want a career and you want to earn some money come to Cathay, they are recuiting at present and seem to have educated managers, unlike this other bunch.

It won't be easy
 

Sorry to bring bad news but it was nearly impossible 8 years ago to survive on a F/O's salary so it will be really hard with current inflation and taxes on the horizon.
Taking that on board if you don't have a job then at least this is 'a job' but just a job.........not a career any longer. Be especially careful when wife and kid's are involved. Not only costly but you will pay in ways you could not imagine. EK and Dubai are a facade.
Good luck which ever way you choose to go.

Emirates FO question
 

I am scheduled for an interview on 26 of june, and i took some time reading this forum, but I dont understand why it is so difficult to live in Dubay for a FO (+wife and 2 childrens) with a free tax salary of 19660 AED and a free allocated villa ?

Thank you :confused:

No, they are SOME of the real figures. House rental inflation is somewhat irrelevant when the Company provides you with the villa/apartment in the first place so disregard that. Those that have bought have, ironically, benefited from rental inflation as EK increased the accom. allowance by 10% this year and this is helping to pay off the mortgage. We received 7% pay rise this year and 8% last year in addition to 5 weeks profit share this year. Petrol did rise in one leap by 30% earlier this year but has remained steady so far and is still less than a quarter of the cost of fuel in UK. Most schools have increased their fees but EK allowance still covers the majority.You pay 10% but like the ERP,Provident fund and Family medical cover, not all it seems at first glance and will cost you in some way or another. Full details never given or explained until after you join.

Regarding Command, I wouldn't like to stick my neck out on that one. Latest newsletter explains the recent policy change in this area and although trying to placate the many that've been affected, finishes off by stating the Companies right to change the 'policy' as and when it sees fit. BEWARE! Command may be quicker than the industry average but the F/O's here are well experienced and many have relinquished the left seat to come here, something the newsletter fails to address. Perhaps there are some here now regretting that decision.

If the Managers planned ahead and kept to a valid policy, not only would THEY gain credibility, but so would the policies that they enforce. :(

Thank you BYMONEK :)

lascarnoir

To survive of an FO salary you have to be really careful, inflation is big and the increases are small. What background do you have and what airline are you coming from would help the sort of advise you could recieve. Please don't be fooled by the command prospects here, there are no FO's joining from major carriers due to the instability of the so called "policy".

Good luck and don't be foolish:ugh:

And yet FO's are treated like ****. FO's come here with lots of experience and are grouped amongst the lowest common denomiator, the local cadet FO's. We have FO's from Air Canada, UAL, AA with thousands of hours of experience and yet have to put up with this horse ****....Do you want flaps 1...do you want it now....how about now, now, how about now, OK now....NO how about fcuk off and I'll tell you when I god damn want the flaps.

>>Command may be quicker than the industry average but the F/O's here are well experienced and many have relinquished the left seat to come here, something the newsletter fails to address.<<

What the newsletter should have addressed is that those folks who left Commands to come to EK (as co-pilots) were as dumb as a rock.
One then wonders, are they really now suitable for a Command?:=

lascarnoir - I think you say you are in France. If you have a property in France remember that you will still have to pay those bills back in France , if you rent it out that may be fine but if you don't rent it out then you will stuggle. Bottom line is that if you come to Dubai and sell up everything to come here, you will be able to live the Dubai life ie have nice car, have golf club membership, go out lots, let the kids go for riding and skiing lessons and generally you will enjoy life and probably will not save anything. If you are sensible and keep property in your home country you will not have a lot of money spare and life will be more of a struggle when everyone else is doing the things that you cannot afford to.
Dubai is NOT a real life it is a facard. It looks great from the outside but believe me that when you talk to people that have been here longer than I have (5yrs+) they ALL say it is FALSE.
THINK VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU COME BECAUSE ONCE HERE IT MAY NOT BE ALL THAT YOU DREAM IT COULD BE - BOTH DUBAI AND MORE IMPORTANTLY EMIRATES.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.:=

411A - as ever you comments are neither helpful or amusing. It's a pity that you feel that you are contributing something to this thread and that you feel people would value your opinion - an opinion that seems to encompass almost everything on PPRUNE...........
If you haven't got anything constructive to say then for goodness sake keep your gob shut, we have too much global warming already without you adding to it with your pontifications!!!
:E

Thank you for the responses and the PMS particularly.

As far as the money goes do I understand correctly?

From your pay you will have deducted:-

Family health leve .It is only free for yourself.
30000DhS over 4 years to cover the furniture if you take the furnished option.???
5% to a provident fund .
Car Loan


Is there anything else to consider ?

I believe you get overtime over 78 hrs .What sort of hours are the f/os averaging and is there a difference between types?

Thanks again

wazzamatter mini cooper...411A strike a nerve? does the shoe fit? all opinions should be welcome here, as long as they are not racist, or insulting one's culture, or religion..maybe some dont necessarily like some posts..but why bite back?? :confused: :rolleyes:

What a novel idea. Supporting 411A that is.

Don't think it'll catch on though.

Ironbutt,
:= I seem to remember you biting when comments have been made about GF.

CAN ANYONE HERE HELP ?

Health is not much for the family. About 200 dhs/month.
Not quite. They either give you some furnature, or they give you 30, 000 dhs to buy your own. There's no deduction.
That's right. You put in 5% and they put in 12%.
Up to you, but it's interest free up to 55, 000 dhs paid back over 4 years. Most guys take 'free' money.
Just the "Pilot's Club" membership which is 100 dhs/month. A good deal.
78 hours is based on a 31 day month. Keep in mind you do not get paid for training, reserve or vacation.
The maximum legal amount you can fly is 900 hours/year. If you're on the 340, you did more than that last year and are doing 900 this year. You will have O/T shoved down your throat whether you want it or not. If you're 330, you're very smart and you fly less. It's also less on the 777, but they may be catching up. The O/T is not that generous and most guys I know would rather have the time off, but you don't get the choice.
Hope this helps.

Bus thank you very much .The furniture deal was a little confusing...?
:)