Reading some of these post makes me wonder if I work for the same airline. GF is definitely not the worst and when you compare to the airlines flying short haul in Europe it's a far better life style. Jack is right if you are that unhappy just go! Don't waste time bitching about a management who really don't care about one individual. They are too busy keeping something bigger than your ego going. This really gave me a laugh, more like a lesson from a dummy! PS What or who is VPHRS?

Steady on there JB, young Frozen Turtle may have had a right go to vent some steam but I seriously doubt his main problem is the fact that he flies in excess of 50 hours monthly.

He said,

your reply was

This my dear JB sounds familiarly like a management statement and very much justifies my previous comments.
If GF are not bothered by threats of people leaving please tell me why they came to a "political" arrangement to block the movement of pilots from GF to EY? They care not about one single pilot but their actions clearly show they very much fear the resignation of many.

One will just have to wait and see, I suspect the near future will be very interesting indeed.

EY are free to recruit anyone they want, the rumor about an embargo is just that. If it is true explain why there has been a number of crew from GF go to EY in the last few months, spoke to one just last week. Another example of creating stories to justify a moan. The story of the 76 FO's is another one, where did this come from? If they are transfering it's on seniority/merit. Once again the Frozen guy is manipulating rumors. As for management caring about an individual, well can you imagine what chaos would reign if these silly statements were pandered to. There is a bigger picture and we have to remember that.

Jack
The "political" arrangement took place following the last two resignations from captains who moved to EY{a certain Capt Fam... and a certain Capt Sul...}. I know from a very high source in EY that this took place and it has been confirmed by the recruiting officer at EY as well.

If you doubt my sources please speak again to the person you spoke to at EY and ask him to consult the recruiting officer at EY as to the existence of any such embargo.

This is not a rumour it is fact and it was the only way GF could keep some 60 odd qualified applicants from moving. The question is for how long are these strong arm tactics going to save GF.
I suspect not for too long.

Dear Capn Fluffy Bollacks

You echo my sentiments so succinctly. Well said.

I feel the point that msrs JB and vfe have failed to grasp by their comments;....is that, these are not the feelings or rantings of the odd bad egg, but the general feeling of many, expoused by a few.

The point here is, and I repeat myself, what a sheer waste for GF to push its people away, for that is in effect what they are doing. There are many that came here with long term goals and plans in mind, but GF is making no effort to meet the expectations that were had, and offered. So the answer, as per Mr Jack B and vfe, is just walk away. Narrow minded, head in the sand statements. As Frozen turtle pointed out, it is increasingly a pilots market out there. Push, and people will indeed go.

Its been alluded to that GF is not concerned by, or is somehow immune to resignations. I challenge this concept, for any significant business is not niave enough to believe it can heamorrage its skill base and still flourish. I do believe that GF is not niave.

I am not stupid, I am a unit of labour. As a unit of labour, I incur a cost, but hopefully I bring a return over and above that cost. However, treat me as a cost only, and ignore the human component, and I will walk away - net result, loss.

For all my cynicism, I still have a idealistic viewpoint - treat me as part of the team, and I will play the game. If not, then there are plenty other options.

PS hotelgym
cheap shot on scan scan. He's obviously done the hard yards and a wee bit of time in GF too. His point is not much has changed. No need to dis him for that, in a few more years that might be you (me)!?!

Scanscan - enjoy it, you earned it. My hat off to you.

Cmon JackB... pull your head out. Its called company requirements, and it overides all else. Or didnt they tell you that bit.

To be fair, universal concept, not just practised by GF, but thats the game we're in is it not??

A little off the point of rostering but along a similar vein to the thread...

I personally have found recently an extra amount of disorganisation when down route and trying to get a bed to sleep in.

Three times in the past 10 days I've had to wait for more than one hour to get a room upon checking into Hotels - specifically in AUH.
On one particular occasion, after a 16 hour day had to wait 2 hours...

Muscat: Well, just trying to get a hotel upon arrival at the airport is a drama these days - what on earth is going down!!!

One sure way to reduce already crumbling crew moral to a complete pile of rubble is to work them for well over 12 hours and 4 sectors then tell them to sit in a bus at the MCT airport for an hour whilst someone somewhere tries to organise a bed for them.

We wont even bring up the subject of sharing rooms either.... that will just make me cry.

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Gobbler

Personally, I could swallow someone jumping me over for the big fleet, what will seriously bother me is anybody junior to me jumping me over for command !!!!
Jack Bauer, as suggested, better check your sources, I was turned down from EY, due embargo. On the other hand what I have been told is that GCC nationals are welcome to switch to EY from whatever GCC airline !?!?
Cheers

Gulf Air, seniority is the only way for transfer or upgrade. Please keep your company requirements **** for you, or you can count with the resignation of ONE labour unit!

Mssrs boeingdriverx and Soft Altitude if you chaps are expats you're bu@@ered anyway with the GF point system.

if you are new at the gulf air then the points system means nothing anyway.
the points are very reelevent for old timers at gf, greater than 5 years etc.
otherwise its nothing important and the date when you were on your last final line check is the important one.

this is from the office - im probably wrong then but thats the latest...

policy changes etc...
i better go to publications tomorrow.

chioas

:}

Why would the date of your last final line check be important?:confused:

This story about 767 guys jumping seniority to the 330 is not a rumour. I talked to the guy who actually was asked if he wouldn’t mind going to the big fleet.

Look, I remember last year when the first rumors started that GF would put direct entries on the 330, being short of people there.

GF has a history of changing its policies to suit its needs, why would it be different now?
Remember how many years our actual 320 captains were put on the hold for upgrade?! These guys had the seniority, they were well above the required hours, they have the “right stuff” for command (I love to fly with these chaps, say whatever you wanna say) and GF hired DIRECT ENTRY CAPTAINS 5 years ago. These guys waited more then 10 years, some of them 12 years to get command, being explicitly bypassed on the list.
And don’t forget one thing. They are locals.

I like the company, with all its problems, I like Bahrain and I like the lifestyle in the island and in the ME.
The problem is, we don’t know where we stand. Seniority does not mean anything. Management does not seem to be interested in the negative effects of direct entries in the pilot corps. It’s bad for everybody. Even GF in the long term, having to adapt transfers and upgrades to please everybody.

No direct entries! No transfers outside seniority and this seniority is date of first line check.

It is a shame to see that GF could do so much better with proper planning and thinking ahead.

PS: for those criticizing scanscan. When I have the opportunity of flying with the very senior pilots, I try to absorb everything I can. If you think you already know it all and the guy next to you is just an old man stalling your upgrade, at least treat the guy with the respect that he earns.

hey mali!

i like you. i like your pink glasses too. gulf air is so nice i can't believe it. it is so nice! i love the fantasy island, and all our nice flights to all these nice countries, with our nice passengers...

and yes i heard that next year we will start the engine and maybe use the nosewheel steering! what a blast! I might even finally end up with 3 stripes with my only little experience of 5000 hours ! actually i've never seen an airline with so many very experience cadets / second officer , they all have more than 3000 hours wow! I will finally become a real first officer ! my dream!

that is the best airline i know!

cheers

mali

looks like you have found a girlfriend to skip hand in hand through the flowers with.....

Situation will not improve
 

Quoting Scott why we are short:

2 medicals, 5 training failures, and 3 resignations without notice.

Since some more guys will resign in the next 6 months, the situation is not gonna improve. So, this 100 rostered hours will continue until don't know when.

Yep.

OK we are short of crew but how come some 320 F/O are flying 42 hours and other over 100 for this month ?
By the way, who is doing the day trips and some guys always go on few days block ?
Computer is always blamed .... but really, would a computer do such a thing ?
Cheers for now.

...................sh!t no 715 , but the idiot programming the computer would!!! :mad:

We are interested in 2 major factors, beeing money and roster.

If GF only corrects our housing and school allowances, the chaotic rostering situation should improve. People will stay longer.
To live in the middle east is becoming increasingly expensive and money for housing was maybe enough 10 years ago.

Check your payslip and think about it...

GF715, I concur with you, the only question is: do you wanna fly 100, or 42 hours? As for me, I think overtime should be equally shared. We should share the overload and we should share the money.
As for the day trips x n/s. I've never been to IST and I don't remember last time I've been to ATH. But I got the "4 sectors + dead heading" ending up with 15 hours duty once a week.

We need to find a balance, but I don't blame the rostering guys, they are only fire-fighters. If they could or should do a better job, I don't have enough information to judge that. I just know that our lines are bad enough.

Happy New Year!

Ah Hah!
 

You just hit upon a subject dear to us! We left GF for the two reasons you hit upon...allowances...while not on the 320 fleet, we did have to really look long and hard at how much it was costing us to send the kids to scholl and what it cost to get decent housing. We weren't given a choice of BAH or AUH on the '76, and the cost of living in AUH or DXB was rising like mad...and the responses from anyone in a position to consider any changes was either a blank look or the standard "But Habibi..." so we left for a better package (among other things) Now, it's not all about the cost, we loved living where we did, but as most know, it was all about the uncaring response or simply, the people down the line where not given the tools to do the job properly. I worked with some fantasic people and wish them all the best and wish all of you a Prosperous and Happy New Year...
Yallah Hyak!...

Re: Gulf Air 320 Rostering!!!!
 

Hi,
Any improvement on your roster for the New Year ? must admit mine is slighly better, 75 hours, 2 day trips .... but wait and see, it might change as usual.
All the best for the New Year !
Cheers.