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Following the advertisments/editorial notes in all the BALPA newsletters etc, can anyone enlighten me on the realistic run down on whether Qatar are a company worth going to for a DE command on the A320?
Also, any details on the P & C would be appreciated.
Many thanks
Also, any details on the P & C would be appreciated.
Many thanks
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swash,
As I told another pilot some time ago on this page, you will be better off driving a taxi in your home town,rather than flying the air bus for Qatar airways.
Good Luck!
As I told another pilot some time ago on this page, you will be better off driving a taxi in your home town,rather than flying the air bus for Qatar airways.
Good Luck!
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Hong Kong layover,
if you want to contribute on this forum plse try to maintain a littlle bit of level here.....
Latest news from the QR front.....
+/- 4 pilots handed over their resignations this month and more are expected too folow next month....
As a mather of facts the morale amongst the tech crew has reached a record low and tensions are starting to rise between the expat workforce and the locals!
Big changes on managment level are announced and general idea is that it is not looking good.....more qatari into managment positions, more downgraded expats, more expertise down the drain.....
Qtari seem to think that they are the best in everything and they do not need anybody else to show the how it is done....That is why QR is one of the few companies in the world with captains with 4 years command experience playing as fleet manager and chief pilots.....
To be continued without any doubt.....
if you want to contribute on this forum plse try to maintain a littlle bit of level here.....
Latest news from the QR front.....
+/- 4 pilots handed over their resignations this month and more are expected too folow next month....
As a mather of facts the morale amongst the tech crew has reached a record low and tensions are starting to rise between the expat workforce and the locals!
Big changes on managment level are announced and general idea is that it is not looking good.....more qatari into managment positions, more downgraded expats, more expertise down the drain.....
Qtari seem to think that they are the best in everything and they do not need anybody else to show the how it is done....That is why QR is one of the few companies in the world with captains with 4 years command experience playing as fleet manager and chief pilots.....
To be continued without any doubt.....
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chevy-ss
your comments noted,thanks.
However be informed,"people with wounds know the pain of it".
yourself too have mentioned ups and mostly downs of QR.
The Idea is to create awareness contributing to the forum and not to change the level.
Thanks.
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HKG.
your comments noted,thanks.
However be informed,"people with wounds know the pain of it".
yourself too have mentioned ups and mostly downs of QR.
The Idea is to create awareness contributing to the forum and not to change the level.
Thanks.
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okay HKG......
I only try to inform people to the best of my knowledge and therefore I try to leave personal sentiments out of it....
Believe me, this forum would not be big enough otherwise and the chances of AABs watchdogs finding out who I am would be far to great....I am sure you know what I mean!
Also I agree that people have to find out for themselves what they think about QR.....It still is a company with a lot of potential and many of us still hope that they will finally realise that they are ruining their own company with their stupidities.....
We have come to the point where decisions need to be taken ....lets hope they take the good ones!
Otherwise it will be over with QR very soon......pilots are receiving job opportunities every week now......
I only try to inform people to the best of my knowledge and therefore I try to leave personal sentiments out of it....
Believe me, this forum would not be big enough otherwise and the chances of AABs watchdogs finding out who I am would be far to great....I am sure you know what I mean!
Also I agree that people have to find out for themselves what they think about QR.....It still is a company with a lot of potential and many of us still hope that they will finally realise that they are ruining their own company with their stupidities.....
We have come to the point where decisions need to be taken ....lets hope they take the good ones!
Otherwise it will be over with QR very soon......pilots are receiving job opportunities every week now......
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Don't know what you mean regarding an idea for their homework. Please send me PM and explain.
Also HKG, do you have any experience actually with Qatar Airways? In my opinion, it is not such a bad thing that the CEO is strict and is merely trying to maintain a high standard of behaviour amongst his crew.
Also HKG, do you have any experience actually with Qatar Airways? In my opinion, it is not such a bad thing that the CEO is strict and is merely trying to maintain a high standard of behaviour amongst his crew.
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To A300 man:
I totally agree with you. AAB did a very good job untill a few months ago. He was capable of turning a worthless company into a real airline and he managed to create some sort of dicipline amongs his 55 nationalities workforce!
But nowadays he is realy loosing it and the whole airline is running on fear! He has become a controll freak......
Do you think it is normal to see a CEO in the dispatch at 3 oclock in the morning busy checking that everybody is wearing his hat allright. Do you think its normal that a CEO drives over the tarmac in his private car, stopping an aircraft on pushback in order to get onboard and do a quick inspection???? Etc Etc Etc
Demotion is like a sword of damocles hanging above your head the whole time, everybody is afraid of getting a report....
He is pushing the tech crews as well. Wearing the hat is obligatory, no uniform in public, no smoking in uniform, no more orange juice to the tech crew, no more capuccino, no bottles of water allowed in the cockpit, line checks can take place any time any place.....last month he told the cabin crew to report every pilot asking if there where any leftover pax meals to have instead of the lousy cockpit meals.....reason: they are just drivers!!!! Some of the cabin crews where ashamed in his place!
Besides that he has no clue what is going on in flight ops....everybody is so terrified of him that nobody dares to say something! The amount of money being wasted in this company is just unbelievable! The backstabbing, promoting of friends......amazing!
Result: zero morale and zero goodwill......second result: efficiency inexistant!
We are all grown ups, most of us came here very motivated and willing to fight for what we tought was "our" company! Unfortunately this all dissapears within the few months and everybody just comes to do his job and then gets out of there ASAP!!!!!
Pilots are starting to leave right now and so far the reaction of the managment has been: " that is their problem!" Can you believe that! IMO, if I was a CEO I would make damn sure that my people where happy and motivated!
We have a turnover of 100% of the cabincrew each year and an average of 4 pilots leave every month.......try to immagine this cost!
And all they have to do is look after the people, respect them, provide them with what they deserve! A slap on the back saying" you did a nice job" would do so much good.....but no, nothing like that!
They pay us so we are their slaves...at least that is what they like to think!
No wonde EK is ran by expats only! No arabs allowed.....I know why!
I totally agree with you. AAB did a very good job untill a few months ago. He was capable of turning a worthless company into a real airline and he managed to create some sort of dicipline amongs his 55 nationalities workforce!
But nowadays he is realy loosing it and the whole airline is running on fear! He has become a controll freak......
Do you think it is normal to see a CEO in the dispatch at 3 oclock in the morning busy checking that everybody is wearing his hat allright. Do you think its normal that a CEO drives over the tarmac in his private car, stopping an aircraft on pushback in order to get onboard and do a quick inspection???? Etc Etc Etc
Demotion is like a sword of damocles hanging above your head the whole time, everybody is afraid of getting a report....
He is pushing the tech crews as well. Wearing the hat is obligatory, no uniform in public, no smoking in uniform, no more orange juice to the tech crew, no more capuccino, no bottles of water allowed in the cockpit, line checks can take place any time any place.....last month he told the cabin crew to report every pilot asking if there where any leftover pax meals to have instead of the lousy cockpit meals.....reason: they are just drivers!!!! Some of the cabin crews where ashamed in his place!
Besides that he has no clue what is going on in flight ops....everybody is so terrified of him that nobody dares to say something! The amount of money being wasted in this company is just unbelievable! The backstabbing, promoting of friends......amazing!
Result: zero morale and zero goodwill......second result: efficiency inexistant!
We are all grown ups, most of us came here very motivated and willing to fight for what we tought was "our" company! Unfortunately this all dissapears within the few months and everybody just comes to do his job and then gets out of there ASAP!!!!!
Pilots are starting to leave right now and so far the reaction of the managment has been: " that is their problem!" Can you believe that! IMO, if I was a CEO I would make damn sure that my people where happy and motivated!
We have a turnover of 100% of the cabincrew each year and an average of 4 pilots leave every month.......try to immagine this cost!
And all they have to do is look after the people, respect them, provide them with what they deserve! A slap on the back saying" you did a nice job" would do so much good.....but no, nothing like that!
They pay us so we are their slaves...at least that is what they like to think!
No wonde EK is ran by expats only! No arabs allowed.....I know why!
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Pardon me.....but this low morale, lack of motivation, expectation of being shafted etc etc, can do only one of two things.
Make people leave, or.....produce errors that may end in an accident.
Would be interesting to hear if any incidents etc have been reported,or not, since morale plunged and all these problems started.
Being stopped during the pushback, to be boarded by CEO and checked for complience to whatever dumbass rules....is not condusive to safe operating practices. Who is going to concentrate on his job without fuming or bitching about that bastard ...or somesuch.
NOT trying to stirr up poo, just an interested observer
Make people leave, or.....produce errors that may end in an accident.
Would be interesting to hear if any incidents etc have been reported,or not, since morale plunged and all these problems started.
Being stopped during the pushback, to be boarded by CEO and checked for complience to whatever dumbass rules....is not condusive to safe operating practices. Who is going to concentrate on his job without fuming or bitching about that bastard ...or somesuch.
NOT trying to stirr up poo, just an interested observer
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See things still the same at QR then?
Different day, year same ****
I always thought that things would get better and yeh sometimes it did new routes more a/c but in the end it always ended back the same even after 3 1/2 yrs there.
Good luck to all you crew still out there believe me there is life after QR everyone I know who left all have great jobs and a LIFE.
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Different day, year same ****
I always thought that things would get better and yeh sometimes it did new routes more a/c but in the end it always ended back the same even after 3 1/2 yrs there.
Good luck to all you crew still out there believe me there is life after QR everyone I know who left all have great jobs and a LIFE.
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I agree with you entirely actually. Whilst I don't think that there is anything wrong with maintaining high standards, the way that AAB does it is very extreme and ludicrous.
All that is happening is that he is alienating himself from everyone that comes into contact with him.
But strangely, he thrives on that................maybe just a sign of total insecurity?
However, I still think that the crew at QR do an excellent job. Very hard working and little recognition.
I agree with you entirely actually. Whilst I don't think that there is anything wrong with maintaining high standards, the way that AAB does it is very extreme and ludicrous.
All that is happening is that he is alienating himself from everyone that comes into contact with him.
But strangely, he thrives on that................maybe just a sign of total insecurity?
However, I still think that the crew at QR do an excellent job. Very hard working and little recognition.
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A320 Fleet Manager has stated no more Australian pilots.
He feels they will move on when the industry improves.
Wont everybody make a move out of Qatar once the industry picks up?
No bottled water in the cockpit? Dehydration is performance affecting.
He feels they will move on when the industry improves.
Wont everybody make a move out of Qatar once the industry picks up?
No bottled water in the cockpit? Dehydration is performance affecting.
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Hi chevy-ss,
I do agree with most of you wrote,except with comment of orrange juice and capuccino!
Its not just orrange juice QR talks about,but "fresh orrange juice" that is specialy catered to FC & BC pax.
There was an internal memo regarding above some time ago,but pilots just disregarded it over a period of time.and the 2nd reminder memo is just out.
Probably not somebody like you,but many pilots drink nothing but "fresh orrange juice" and capuccino, eat nothing but FC catering,making company & crew face difficulties infront of paying pax.
Safety regulations clearly states,that tech crew should stick to the "special and different meals catered to both the pilots,which rearly happens onboard QR.
It is sad, good guys like you are affected with this new memo,however, do QR have any other option with some pilots who just dont use their brains on the above issue?
I do agree with most of you wrote,except with comment of orrange juice and capuccino!
Its not just orrange juice QR talks about,but "fresh orrange juice" that is specialy catered to FC & BC pax.
There was an internal memo regarding above some time ago,but pilots just disregarded it over a period of time.and the 2nd reminder memo is just out.
Probably not somebody like you,but many pilots drink nothing but "fresh orrange juice" and capuccino, eat nothing but FC catering,making company & crew face difficulties infront of paying pax.
Safety regulations clearly states,that tech crew should stick to the "special and different meals catered to both the pilots,which rearly happens onboard QR.
It is sad, good guys like you are affected with this new memo,however, do QR have any other option with some pilots who just dont use their brains on the above issue?
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Hi HKL,
you are partly right. There has been a lot of abuse regarding the subject of onboard catering. Some spoiled (mosltly local) pilots where demanding only these things.
As a matter of facts few of the local pilots have any manners at all and they think the CS or the F1 is only there to serve them....
Also it is a fact that at QR they need to issue notes before somebody is willing to accept a rule:
EG:
1) the catering thing
2) speed 250 below 10000ft with a no go for any higher speed below 5000ft in any case, even when requested by ATC. Reason for this: some local pilot landing in the middle of a 4000m runway after he totally screwed up his decent planning and he was idle/speed 180 comming over the treshhold!!!!!
3)No more decelerated approaches are recommended!
4) No more bottles of water in the cockpit because a local pilot found out that his bottle of water was stuck underneath his rudder wile attempting a landing with an A330 in LHR!!!!
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In real life there are a lot more of these rules. They openly admit that most of the local pilots are not able to fly raw data approaches! They can only fly the airplane through the box and nothing else!!!!!
On the other hand the cockpit meals are really lousy. We have been eating chicken with vegetables and fish with rice now for over three months so that gives us a reason to ask for something else!!!
My comment was only made to say something about he CEOs attitude. He immidiatly asks to report anybody asking for these things....come on, we are all grown ups, there is no need for this!
you are partly right. There has been a lot of abuse regarding the subject of onboard catering. Some spoiled (mosltly local) pilots where demanding only these things.
As a matter of facts few of the local pilots have any manners at all and they think the CS or the F1 is only there to serve them....
Also it is a fact that at QR they need to issue notes before somebody is willing to accept a rule:
EG:
1) the catering thing
2) speed 250 below 10000ft with a no go for any higher speed below 5000ft in any case, even when requested by ATC. Reason for this: some local pilot landing in the middle of a 4000m runway after he totally screwed up his decent planning and he was idle/speed 180 comming over the treshhold!!!!!
3)No more decelerated approaches are recommended!
4) No more bottles of water in the cockpit because a local pilot found out that his bottle of water was stuck underneath his rudder wile attempting a landing with an A330 in LHR!!!!
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In real life there are a lot more of these rules. They openly admit that most of the local pilots are not able to fly raw data approaches! They can only fly the airplane through the box and nothing else!!!!!
On the other hand the cockpit meals are really lousy. We have been eating chicken with vegetables and fish with rice now for over three months so that gives us a reason to ask for something else!!!
My comment was only made to say something about he CEOs attitude. He immidiatly asks to report anybody asking for these things....come on, we are all grown ups, there is no need for this!
You got that right!
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I admit to having no real experience of Qatari, and have only seen them down route on occasion.
However, the subtext here is that things are not rosy. I have a couple of friends interested and am in two minds whether to recommend the job to them.
For pilots, is it strictly only type-rated applicants that are accepted, and for CA's, is it as dire as is reported here?
What is the oulook? I believe expansion is on the agenda. Will the company cope?
However, the subtext here is that things are not rosy. I have a couple of friends interested and am in two minds whether to recommend the job to them.
For pilots, is it strictly only type-rated applicants that are accepted, and for CA's, is it as dire as is reported here?
What is the oulook? I believe expansion is on the agenda. Will the company cope?
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Great to see some more QR controversy on here ... I thought AAB had maybe become a real pussycat and everything was rosy in the QR garden.
Chevy SS's comments to A300 man earlier on this thread are spot on. My advice ... only accept a job with QR if there's nothing else around and you're prepared to stand up to the CEO and his clowns ... or become a meek puppet like so many others and toe the line while at the same time complaining to all your colleagues about what a lousy company it is to work for.
There's a real regime of fear throughout the airline. Many employees are so much in fear of their jobs (particularly those from the Indian sub-continent) that they put up with everything without daring to complain ... including the fact that many have not had a pay increase for five years.
On another subject, I'm told that the German guys from LH Consulting who came into the airline to run Ground Ops and change the world have found out that it's not quite as easy as they thought. Agreements made with the CEO have been broken and they are finding it impossible to get a meeting with him to discuss the matter. Not an unusual problem ... he's no doubt too busy meeting with cabin staff to tell them their buttons are missing to deal with the major issues facing the airline.
The man is not equipped to run an airline the size of QR ... probably not equipped to run any size airline for that matter. He will get found out sooner or later. For the sake of the airline I hope it's sooner.
I could go on ....
Chevy SS's comments to A300 man earlier on this thread are spot on. My advice ... only accept a job with QR if there's nothing else around and you're prepared to stand up to the CEO and his clowns ... or become a meek puppet like so many others and toe the line while at the same time complaining to all your colleagues about what a lousy company it is to work for.
There's a real regime of fear throughout the airline. Many employees are so much in fear of their jobs (particularly those from the Indian sub-continent) that they put up with everything without daring to complain ... including the fact that many have not had a pay increase for five years.
On another subject, I'm told that the German guys from LH Consulting who came into the airline to run Ground Ops and change the world have found out that it's not quite as easy as they thought. Agreements made with the CEO have been broken and they are finding it impossible to get a meeting with him to discuss the matter. Not an unusual problem ... he's no doubt too busy meeting with cabin staff to tell them their buttons are missing to deal with the major issues facing the airline.
The man is not equipped to run an airline the size of QR ... probably not equipped to run any size airline for that matter. He will get found out sooner or later. For the sake of the airline I hope it's sooner.
I could go on ....