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Old 19th Aug 2022, 15:53
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Yes, finally been offered opt out again yesterday morning. No doubt forced back in to meydan at the drop of a hat at some point.
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Old 20th Aug 2022, 03:33
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It’ll be back in to that new complex they are building behind Sarab.
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 07:46
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Originally Posted by nervous novice View Post
Like that Belgian trainer who thinks he’s a photographer. It’s comical, nobody likes him and most see him as some kind of looser. Yet they continue to kid themselves by pretending that emirates is their second job.



Do some self reflection with your pal Ricky up there on 3rd and do us all a favour and retire.
Nice bait.
He, she or it sounds like a troll.. if not it is even more sad. Everyone can make mistakes. I.e. your scandinavian ex colleague above JFK. Had to safety debrief himself in the office.
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 10:46
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So has anyone else heard or got proof that some of the pilots leaving have pointed out they’ve not been repaid all the money deducted during the 6 months at 50%. These guys apparently got repaid after threatening to sue? if true then any rumors of when we might get repaid,

TCBT leaving? Well he’s been been as effective as the “tub of lard” (ref bbc program Have I got news for you!). Only problem is which “yes” man will they bring in next!,
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 11:12
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If we didn't have the bungling Persian running Flight Ops and Engineering, maybe BT and others before him would have had a chance to make some positive impact. No one lasts long in that post.

At the height of the pandemic, BT did score an own goal by peddling rumours rather than spreading fact. Many people on the 380 were hanging on every word in the weekly email, and none of us had any idea what was in store for us. During the pandemic's dark days, his weekly spiel at times resembled an opinion column in a newspaper about how quickly the airline industry would recover, rather than spreading factual and relevant information within an EK context, as one would expect from an operational update.
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 14:45
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Originally Posted by CraigDaDinosaur View Post
It's an unpopular, unwelcome and immutable fact that many ignore the warning signs and join our profession. Let this be a reminder that all pilots are not born equal and my job as safety pilot is to weed out all the dead wood who slipped the net in their interviews, initial training and their recurrent checks over the last couple of decades. Our standards must remain high and many won't meet those standards, good luck in your simulator details.
Wow, no wonder the emirates guys who are showing up at my company by the boatload are delighted by our training and cockpit environment.
unfortunately the recent safety record at EK does not justify such unwarranted arrogance and actually reflects very poorly indeed on the so called lol standards that you have.
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Old 21st Aug 2022, 16:29
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Originally Posted by All hat and no cows View Post
Wow, no wonder the emirates guys who are showing up at my company by the boatload are delighted by our training and cockpit environment.
unfortunately the recent safety record at EK does not justify such unwarranted arrogance and actually reflects very poorly indeed on the so called lol standards that you have.
When 20+ years CPTs get nervous when a OPC/LPC is scheduled something is very wrong. "Do you know this examiner?" is a question often heared.
​​​​​​And as long as f/o's call sick when they have to help out in the sim...something is wrong. If you look at yhe number of flights and destinations, incidents are bound to happen like at other airlines. How they are handled is a different cookie.

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Old 21st Aug 2022, 16:55
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Agree with everything above.

“Do you know the captain” , “I’ll go sick for that sim instead of risking my career” all very common place

I had a CRM instructor (local guy TRI previously a TRI FO) tell the whole class that he knew one of the captains in the New York incident. Said he’d flown with him just prior to the event and then preceded to trash him for a good 5-10 minutes. Disgraceful really.


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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 01:37
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Originally Posted by Pif Paf View Post
So has anyone else heard or got proof that some of the pilots leaving have pointed out they’ve not been repaid all the money deducted during the 6 months at 50%. These guys apparently got repaid after threatening to sue? if true then any rumors of when we might get repaid,

TCBT leaving? Well he’s been been as effective as the “tub of lard” (ref bbc program Have I got news for you!). Only problem is which “yes” man will they bring in next!,
Repaid after threatening to sue? I doubt it. You should be grateful for a special payment earlier this year. EK could care less about its workforce. They’re busy investing 2 bln US in better customer experience. Hope they’ll have someone qualified to fly those customers in a few years.
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 01:45
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Originally Posted by nimrodjoe View Post
Agree with everything above.

“Do you know the captain” , “I’ll go sick for that sim instead of risking my career” all very common place

I had a CRM instructor (local guy TRI previously a TRI FO) tell the whole class that he knew one of the captains in the New York incident. Said he’d flown with him just prior to the event and then preceded to trash him for a good 5-10 minutes. Disgraceful really.
Occasionally visiting this forum and reading the latest posts: can only shake my head and conclude nothing has changed...maybe its even gotten worse!
Hearing more and more rumors of senior guys having horror missions in the sim during lpc/opc or handling sim, with demotion a not so infrequent outcome... Enjoy!
Don't ever forget you have exactly 1 life!!! Don't let them ruin your career/life!
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 09:34
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Originally Posted by 5star View Post
Occasionally visiting this forum and reading the latest posts: can only shake my head and conclude nothing has changed...maybe its even gotten worse!
Hearing more and more rumors of senior guys having horror missions in the sim during lpc/opc or handling sim, with demotion a not so infrequent outcome... Enjoy!
Don't ever forget you have exactly 1 life!!! Don't let them ruin your career/life!

Greetz from a greener grass place!
Yes, a CRM instructor telling his CRM class the senior captain who made one mistake was not up to the job and the termination was the best outcome for both himself and the company.

In a similar way to the instagram clown who was mocking redundant who didn't reuturn, these people get a little hard on from feeling some accomplishment in the face of other's misery. Strange, probably happens everywhere but seems more prominent in EK and this region.
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Old 23rd Aug 2022, 12:08
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Originally Posted by McToryMug View Post
Yes, a CRM instructor telling his CRM class the senior captain who made one mistake was not up to the job and the termination was the best outcome for both himself and the company.

In a similar way to the instagram clown who was mocking redundant who didn't reuturn, these people get a little hard on from feeling some accomplishment in the face of other's misery. Strange, probably happens everywhere but seems more prominent in EK and this region.
Training FO haha, brilliant are they all locals?
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Old 24th Aug 2022, 19:25
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How’s the 3month payback going, guys? Looks like a massive flight pay increase also.
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Old 28th Aug 2022, 11:53
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https://gulfnews.com/business/aviati...ree-1.90153380

Look, Emirates already pay "among the worlds highest salaries" so there is absolutely no need for a pay rise. In fact, people working there are lucky to have such a wonderfully benevolent employer. It must be true, the Gulf News says so.
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Old 28th Aug 2022, 13:09
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Originally Posted by BigGeordie View Post
https://gulfnews.com/business/aviati...ree-1.90153380

Look, Emirates already pay "among the worlds highest salaries" so there is absolutely no need for a pay rise. In fact, people working there are lucky to have such a wonderfully benevolent employer. It must be true, the Gulf News says so.
The usual crap propaganda…I was in the first wave 2 years ago and lucky enough to land a job in a fantastic cargo airline in EU. Much better salary, even after taxes for much less work and most importantly much better quality of life. Biting my butt that I didn’t come here way earlier.
So there IS way better jobs out there! I don’t even want to mention the US with 2 times the EK salary, also coupled with a much better life…
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Old 28th Aug 2022, 15:12
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Or just be a poor train driver. I wish I had done it years ago. Yes ..last year I only grossed $127000 AUD. But I get 9 weeks leave… two of those can be split into single days if you want to go to a wedding or birthday or whatever, max allowable shift is 9 hours with a minimum of 30 minute break every 4 hours. Last week I was rostered for 7 days straight.. but because I can only do 36 hours in a week..my first two shifts were 9 hours and the next 5 were between 5 and 6 hours… including meal breaks.

Roster swapping is easy and encouraged to support peoples individual life style Checks are in a “ no threat” environment ( we all lean from mistakes) …. It’s a lovely place to work.

And I’m home every night.

There is a life away from aircraft.
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Old 28th Aug 2022, 17:00
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Originally Posted by BigGeordie View Post
https://gulfnews.com/business/aviati...ree-1.90153380

Look, Emirates already pay "among the worlds highest salaries" so there is absolutely no need for a pay rise. In fact, people working there are lucky to have such a wonderfully benevolent employer. It must be true, the Gulf News says so.
They are wonderful and apparently didn’t get rid of anyone at all in the pandemic….. or was just the GoodNews Times again
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Old 28th Aug 2022, 19:31
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I think they actually believe what they write.

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Old 28th Aug 2022, 20:43
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Originally Posted by nimrodjoe View Post
I think they actually believe what they write.
the question is more how much money they cash in after having done the research but only writing half to no true facts
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Old 29th Aug 2022, 08:17
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Originally Posted by flyTheBigFatLady View Post
the question is more how much money they cash in after having done the research but only writing half to no true facts
Fake news.

Weren't they calling redundancy 'furlough' last year?

If it's so great, why does so much time and money go into trying to attract pilots to join?

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