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Emirates...is this for real!!???

Old 7th Mar 2022, 17:25
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And now he’s just been forced to resign.
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Old 7th Mar 2022, 19:26
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And now he’s just been forced to resign.
Is this for real?!!!
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Old 7th Mar 2022, 20:30
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Interestingly, in the BA sim (contract booking, so I’m not 100% sure of config), we could not get ALT to capture with 0 set.

Take-off resulted in an open climb.
His original video was a useful service for flight safety. They should have given him a Najm!

So the fault could be:
1. Something Boeing fixed
2. Something Boeing broke, or
3. Something not correctly replicated in the Sim.

This is a trap that was not covered in training, can occur despite following the SOPs, and would have been trapped had the “Take-off Review” not been removed.
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Old 8th Mar 2022, 00:47
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If an aircraft is being "flown" by a "pilot" sufficiently obtuse to think it's just fine to fly a 777 at 2 degrees of pitch after takeoff no "trap" on earth will save you.

The only fix is for the "pilot" to be banned from the flightdeck.
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Old 8th Mar 2022, 06:22
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Originally Posted by Dropp the Pilot View Post
If an aircraft is being "flown" by a "pilot" sufficiently obtuse to think it's just fine to fly a 777 at 2 degrees of pitch after takeoff no "trap" on earth will save you.

The only fix is for the "pilot" to be banned from the flightdeck.
Except that pitch for level flight at 350 tons would be closer to 8 degrees (with no forward visibility).
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Old 9th Mar 2022, 02:19
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Awair. Next time you are on the line in the Tripple or in the sim, set your airport elevation (in DXB about 0 feet) in the alt window and put your FDs on and watch the magic…I believe Boeing now came out with a notice regarding this behavior of the APFD system.
They sacked the guy who made the video? Harsh, but you should know by now that, in EK, they will kick your xss badly if you go online with this kind of content….

As for the skipper who produced this shxt late December, there is indeed no other possible fix than to ban from flying. Very very scary stuff and what a close call it was. Not representive of the many skilled aviators I have met during my time at EK…
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Old 9th Mar 2022, 04:47
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Except that pitch for level flight at 350 tons would be closer to 8 degrees (with no forward visibility).
Really ? Where did you get that info from ?
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Old 9th Mar 2022, 07:38
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Clearly EK training and SOPs need to be urgently reviewed. If their current training produces a Captain who has passed all their Command course and recurrent SIMs, yet will continue accelerating along the asphalt, way beyond Vrotate, or fly level immediately after take-off simply because the FDs are not showing a pitch-up, then something has gone seriously wrong in the training and checking department.

I personally find the way of capturing the G/S from above in Airbus FBW too fiddly, (and prone to error in the heat of the moment), and if it happens to me I prefer to just take out the A/P, ignore the FD pitch, and fly it down onto the G/S manually.
On this EK flight, were the crew heads-down trying to work out what they had programmed wrong rather than saying; "Right forget the electronics, let's fly this plane UPWARDS and sort it out later" ?!

Back to basics is required methinks.
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Old 9th Mar 2022, 08:01
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I personally find the way of capturing the G/S from above in Airbus FBW too fiddly, (and prone to error in the heat of the moment), and if it happens to me I prefer to just take out the A/P, ignore the FD pitch, and fly it down onto the G/S manually.
On this EK flight, were the crew heads-down trying to work out what they had programmed wrong rather than saying; "Right forget the electronics, let's fly this plane UPWARDS and sort it out later" ?!

Back to basics is required methinks.
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Sounds like a reasonable solution but in EK you’re not allowed to do that. A go around is required.
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Old 9th Mar 2022, 13:46
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Originally Posted by Oldaircrew View Post
I personally find the way of capturing the G/S from above in Airbus FBW too fiddly, (and prone to error in the heat of the moment), and if it happens to me I prefer to just take out the A/P, ignore the FD pitch, and fly it down onto the G/S manually.
On this EK flight, were the crew heads-down trying to work out what they had programmed wrong rather than saying; "Right forget the electronics, let's fly this plane UPWARDS and sort it out later" ?!

Back to basics is required methinks.
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Sounds like a reasonable solution but in EK you’re not allowed to do that. A go around is required.[/QUOTE]

Even worse - for ignoring the FD during an approach, even thou you don’t bust any limits and you had a safe and nice landing - you will be honored with a warning letter.
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Old 9th Mar 2022, 17:54
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Blimey.....
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