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Emirates...is this for real!!???

Old 9th Jan 2022, 10:44
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Desert Witch "​​​​​​Yet their solution, is to hire more cadets. They advertised just today.
There was an experienced ex-cadet in this one.
And an experienced ex-cadet planted a wheels up 777 in Dubai Airport, not so long ago.
For a pilot to be a 777 FO in the US, he or she has already flown lots of General Aviation, lots of Regional, then more Regional as Captain, then lots of medium range as FO.
Compare the amount of exposure, to that of a Emirati cadet, with 3 landings a month, ILS to ILS fully automated.
Then add the company punitive culture.
And the best is, they stay on denial.
I am positive Emirates will have more of these.
I just hope they get as lucky as with all the other 'incidents', because imagine what could had happened with any of the few last ones.

And the ones that don't come to light."

Mind you there have been other incidents MEL, JNB, DME, JFK...etc. where the crew were non-habibi, non-cadet, experienced crew with lots of GA, ex-regional, major airline, flag carrier - the only common factor is that they were all human.

Let's all live and learn. I doubt EK training teaches at Vr "PUSH". I think it's still ROTATE.

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Old 9th Jan 2022, 11:59
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Originally Posted by Marcellus Wallace View Post
Desert Witch "​​​​​​Yet their solution, is to hire more cadets. They advertised just today.
There was an experienced ex-cadet in this one.
And an experienced ex-cadet planted a wheels up 777 in Dubai Airport, not so long ago.
For a pilot to be a 777 FO in the US, he or she has already flown lots of General Aviation, lots of Regional, then more Regional as Captain, then lots of medium range as FO.
Compare the amount of exposure, to that of a Emirati cadet, with 3 landings a month, ILS to ILS fully automated.
Then add the company punitive culture.
And the best is, they stay on denial.
I am positive Emirates will have more of these.
I just hope they get as lucky as with all the other 'incidents', because imagine what could had happened with any of the few last ones.

And the ones that don't come to light."

Mind you there have been other incidents MEL, JNB, DME, JFK...etc. where the crew were non-habibi, non-cadet, experienced crew with lots of GA, ex-regional, major airline, flag carrier - the only common factor is that they were all human.

Let's all live and learn. I doubt EK training teaches at Vr "PUSH". I think it's still ROTATE.
I wish there was a “like” button!!!!
Finally a comment with some common sense and more importantly Professional Attitude!!!!!
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 12:26
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Originally Posted by rowdy trousers View Post
Isn’t the rotate conducted by looking outside - as it has been since Wilbur and Orville ventured into the air, or is this no longer part of endorsement/transition training at EK?
I have never been taught to gauge 15° pitch-up by looking out of the window of a medium/large jet, and it's a bit tricky to do so in low vis or at night, or when departing from a hill-top runway.

On large / long aircraft, one also has to be careful about tail strikes, so reference to the PFD pitch scale during rotation is not unreasonable. But you can look outside and still check PFD with quick glances.
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 14:30
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You have never been taught , there in lies the problem. There is the new wave of those who let the aircraft fly you ISO you fly the plane . Not saying it applies to you !

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Old 9th Jan 2022, 17:57
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No, your comment doesn't apply to me. I was taught and trained to be an IFR pilot - with an instrument rating - so I look outside AND at the PFD when rotating,

And once the outside cues have gone, onto instruments, naturally.
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Old 10th Jan 2022, 09:31
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Depends on engineering or other staff coming and going who done walk arounds set up the rest area etc.
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Old 11th Jan 2022, 13:36
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If this was a «pilot error», EK now belong in the same class as Korean of the past, Asiana, Turkish and PIA.
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Old 12th Jan 2022, 20:29
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Originally Posted by flareflyer View Post
As usual here there many Chuck Yeager of the keyboard……..
Omg, you really got me good with that one!

It is what most people, except yourself, would call knowledge and experience.
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Old 12th Jan 2022, 21:31
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Originally Posted by pilotguy1222 View Post
Omg, you really got me good with that one!

It is what most people, except yourself, would call knowledge and experience.
To be honest if you have “knowledge and experience “ you would know that in our job the first thing is to “assess” based on data and not rumours!!!
Probably your meaning of experience is different from mine.
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Old 12th Jan 2022, 21:34
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Looks like a “Tenerife” kind of accident was avoided few days ago in DXB
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Old 13th Jan 2022, 00:17
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You mean this

https://avherald.com/h?article=4f30b5c8&opt=0
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Old 13th Jan 2022, 14:28
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Right guys, case closed.
From the horse's mouth, it was an "insignificant event"



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Old 13th Jan 2022, 15:49
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc View Post
Yes Rex,
It happened little sister flydubai a number of weeks ago too.

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Old 13th Jan 2022, 16:10
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Holes are lining up !
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Old 16th Jan 2022, 04:05
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Not the smartest move to see one of our Fleet Tech Pilots comment on social media, where his name and position is visible to all and especially so when the company has asked for restraint when engaging in such activities.
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Old 16th Jan 2022, 09:12
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Originally Posted by MissChief View Post
I concur. And going back further, such as the Melbourne take-off near-disaster, one can see that their luck continues to hold.
That Melbourne incident was preceded by another CX A340 tail strike in Auckland on departure for Hong Kong. The ex cadet captain chose to not return but continue to the VHHH for further 13 odd hours.
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Old 16th Jan 2022, 22:46
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Originally Posted by deja vu View Post
That Melbourne incident was preceded by another CX A340 tail strike in Auckland on departure for Hong Kong. The ex cadet captain chose to not return but continue to the VHHH for further 13 odd hours.
does a tail strike on a 340 mean LAND ASAP?
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Old 16th Jan 2022, 22:57
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Originally Posted by 3Greens View Post
does a tail strike on a 340 mean LAND ASAP?
I would have thought so, don't you?
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Old 17th Jan 2022, 07:19
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Tail strike on any aircraft means Land asap.
If it’s not on QRH, it’s basic airmanship. You don’t want to do Emergency descent.
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Old 17th Jan 2022, 08:58
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Originally Posted by 3Greens View Post
does a tail strike on a 340 mean LAND ASAP?
Are you a pilot or what?
If you ask question like this I am wondering...
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