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Old 18th Jan 2022, 20:39
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Originally Posted by 5star View Post
At least our treatment might aid the guys and girls considering joining…They won’t be able to claim they weren’t warned…
I’ve been coming here for more than 15 years, others have been here much longer. In all that time PPRuNe has never been short of threads giving advice, usually in the form of a warning, about joining Emmrats. Whilst it can be argued some of the whining did seem to confirm the tale about the jet engine and the pilot, countless others have laid bare how, exactly, that corporation works and what you, as a lowly employee, may expect. You will also find the PPRuNe archives are full of predictions of how EK will face recruitment difficulties. Soon, very soon.

Fact of the matter is, whatever happens and however it is perceived and experienced by the employees, doesn’t matter at all out in the real world. When EK posts jobs, EK gets applicants in droves. When EK calls people they previously made redundant, they get loads of positive answers.

I too used to believe in the power of mouth-to-mouth, and that honest advice on outright toxic employers would be taken onboard, but that’s not how we humans work. We’re in it for number one, and will happily turn a blind eye to things we’d have sworn never to be part of, in order for us to fulfil the desires of life. Simple as that. Only a small, very small, percentage of us will chose principles and the prospect of financial ruin when push comes to shove.

Besides, and with a huge tongue in cheek. pilots are basically 16-year olds looking for the biggest and baddest motor around and hoping to score as much action as possible. EK offers the possibility of both.
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Old 19th Jan 2022, 09:25
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Originally Posted by SMT Member View Post
Iíve been coming here for more than 15 years, others have been here much longer. In all that time PPRuNe has never been short of threads giving advice, usually in the form of a warning, about joining Emmrats. Whilst it can be argued some of the whining did seem to confirm the tale about the jet engine and the pilot, countless others have laid bare how, exactly, that corporation works and what you, as a lowly employee, may expect. You will also find the PPRuNe archives are full of predictions of how EK will face recruitment difficulties. Soon, very soon.

Fact of the matter is, whatever happens and however it is perceived and experienced by the employees, doesnít matter at all out in the real world. When EK posts jobs, EK gets applicants in droves. When EK calls people they previously made redundant, they get loads of positive answers.

I too used to believe in the power of mouth-to-mouth, and that honest advice on outright toxic employers would be taken onboard, but thatís not how we humans work. Weíre in it for number one, and will happily turn a blind eye to things weíd have sworn never to be part of, in order for us to fulfil the desires of life. Simple as that. Only a small, very small, percentage of us will chose principles and the prospect of financial ruin when push comes to shove.

Besides, and with a huge tongue in cheek. pilots are basically 16-year olds looking for the biggest and baddest motor around and hoping to score as much action as possible. EK offers the possibility of both.
you nailed it mate. Nothing to add.

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Old 19th Jan 2022, 13:18
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Maybe my online submission unintentionally skipped or something.
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Old 19th Jan 2022, 17:20
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Any joining news?

Hi everyone,

Is there anyone with some news about direct entry FO? I and some friends applied around last august and still no reply, all of us with around 4000h midsize Jet, but no news! Anyone know about anything?

Please I don't want to hear about how bad or how good it is, I respect all opinions but that's not the goal here.

Thanks on advance and safe flights to all.

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Old 20th Jan 2022, 00:33
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Originally Posted by Ricardo_vipe View Post
Hi everyone,

Is there anyone with some news about direct entry FO? I and some friends applied around last august and still no reply, all of us with around 4000 midsize Jet, but no news! Anyone know about anything?

Please I don't want to hear about how bad or how good it is, I respect all opinions but that's not the goal here.

Thanks on advance and safe flights to all.
hi, mee too. Sometimes no news is good news.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 09:43
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Thumbs up

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According to some inside information from a recent recall welcome, the majority of redundant pilots will be re-hired, bar those that the company doesn't want for whatever reason, and then only then will new joiners be hired. The timing at the moment seems to be around September for a new joiner with assessments around June/July. A bit of a wait for those eager to join......but to be fair redundant pilots at this stage have priority!
Thanks for that valuable info.
All the luck for those who want to join and maybe we meet over there.
Let's keep each other updated.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 16:20
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Originally Posted by T54A View Post
I personally know of 10 A380 drivers who were recalled, and I don't even work for EK.
were they all ex Easyjet by any chance. Anyone who joined on a secondment from EZY or SAA have been treated favorably.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 18:32
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Originally Posted by beechbum View Post
According to some inside information from a recent recall welcome, the majority of redundant pilots will be re-hired, bar those that the company doesn't want for whatever reason, and then only then will new joiners be hired. The timing at the moment seems to be around September for a new joiner with assessments around June/July. A bit of a wait for those eager to join......but to be fair redundant pilots at this stage have priority!
just mention one thing which could shrink the number of rejoiners:

apparently hr recruits rather junior guys before the senior guys which makes people who served already a long time loosing everything especially seniority - not that it means much but at least on tickets at boarding it had a meaning so a guy who joined in 2018 initially will way ahead and 5 plus year of previous service put u at the end of the list for upgrades etc just because the call these guys last.
EK just wants everybody back but does not care about details, or respect or what so ever.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 19:26
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Originally Posted by flyTheBigFatLady View Post
just mention one thing which could shrink the number of rejoiners:

apparently hr recruits rather junior guys before the senior guys which makes people who served already a long time loosing everything especially seniority - not that it means much but at least on tickets at boarding it had a meaning so a guy who joined in 2018 initially will way ahead and 5 plus year of previous service put u at the end of the list for upgrades etc just because the call these guys last.
EK just wants everybody back but does not care about details, or respect or what so ever.
Heard guys who joined backend of 2019, early 2020 are back there since November, December. Recall has been done in reverse seniority in majority of cases.
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Old 20th Jan 2022, 20:58
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Heard guys who joined backend of 2019, early 2020 are back there since November, December. Recall has been done in reverse seniority in majority of cases.
the value of long years of service - come back to square one - unbelievable
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Old 21st Jan 2022, 14:06
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QR rejoiners are on previous pay scales, previous seniority for upgrade and staff travel. Why isnít EK doing the same?

OW.
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Old 21st Jan 2022, 14:32
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Because EK is smarter.
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Old 21st Jan 2022, 14:47
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https://www.euronews.com/next/2021/1...hief-tim-clark

Yeah, real smart...
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 14:10
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4 weeks bonus

So this is how slap long serving employees in the face

4 weeks bonus for those who survived the Desaster and 1000 are without job or any future - congrats EK
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Old 24th Jan 2022, 14:27
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Perhaps they will reinstate the full relocation allowance and seniority for those who where worst affected yet still choose to return. Otherwise yes, a real kick in the gut and perhaps the last straw.
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Old 4th Feb 2022, 19:51
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Originally Posted by FlyingOW View Post
What does this interview mean:
Mr, smart management didnít plan ahead 1,5 or 2 years, rather having one selfish ignorant and disrespectful plan in mind. Having lied to the employees over job safety in early summer 2020, is now ranting over the headache to get the staff he already had. Is this kind of thinking the way you become a Sir?
i am sorry that I have my doubt in the class of management when you park 100 super aircraft without having a plan in place how to get them airborne again once things pass by. The fast and flexible management counts again on luck and is overtaken by its own inflexibility to think I a different way, except in punishing employees - luck is apparently the secret of this company.
recent have show that having only the lowest range of experience in place is just building on luck, further rehiring in reverse seniority and new pilots wonít change the drama. Seriously not impressed, you donít need to be management superstar to misshandle an airline like that.
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Old 5th Feb 2022, 15:46
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Or interviewing redundant pilots, telling them to expect a recall course date, only for HR to subsequently bin the application due to the exact same reasons the pilots were let go in the first place. Mostly medical reasons, even though the pilots held a Class One medical when made redundant.

Why not check paperwork prior to deciding whether to have the online chatÖ?

Another egregious mishandling of employees.
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